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[Ant]

Going green - 20% is added to your gas and electricity bill, going into the pockets of those benefiting from this green 'carbon neutral' cult.

And if the UK were carbon neutral tomorrow it would make 2/5 of 3/8 of the square root of fuck all difference to the planet. We are a small, pretty insignificant, little country.

Carbon neutral is meaningless anyway. The only way it could mean anything is to not do anything, basically do not live, as carbon is a natural element, you can't be rid of it.

And for what?

[MyLittleStudPony]

Going green - 20% is added to your gas and electricity bill, going into the pockets of those benefiting from this green 'carbon neutral' cult.

20% added to a small bill! Fuck me! There's no way I'm paying that to avert a global crisis. Let Bangladesh go underwater I say.

[MyLittleStudPony]

Going green - 20% is added to your gas and electricity bill, going into the pockets of those benefiting from this green 'carbon neutral' cult.

And if the UK were carbon neutral tomorrow it would make 2/5 of 3/8 of the square root of fuck all difference to the planet. We are a small, pretty insignificant, little country.

Yes we have emitted large amounts of carbon per capita historically, and that's up there now still.

Plus this country prospered from environmentally (and morally) unsustainable practices. It's time to start paying it back.

[MyLittleStudPony]

Going green - 20% is added to your gas and electricity bill, going into the pockets of those benefiting from this green 'carbon neutral' cult.

And if the UK were carbon neutral tomorrow it would make 2/5 of 3/8 of the square root of fuck all difference to the planet. We are a small, pretty insignificant, little country.

Carbon neutral is meaningless anyway. The only way it could mean anything is to not do anything, basically do not live, as carbon is a natural element, you can't be rid of it.

And for what?

Once again you evidence your low IQ.

[Horse]

I am not going to defend Tory poicy in the past, I am however concerned about the future.

Sorry, didn't finish my train of thought ...

Anyway, it was going to be along lines of
- people put up with austerity
- believed jam tomorrow
- they endured the last three years, including the Johnson and Truss fiascos
- they're now seeing reduced fruit, reduced sugar, no-jar, jam - and are saying 'enough'
- they will push back against whichever broken promises, etc., fit their beliefs
- but they're in for even more grief

[JackyJoll]

The problem is the continuing increase in World population.

I have no solution to that. Sorry.

[mangocrazy]

The problem is the continuing increase in World population.

I have no solution to that. Sorry.

Absolutely. There's just too fucking many of us. How do you fix a problem like that?

[JackyJoll]

The problem is the continuing increase in World population.

I have no solution to that. Sorry.

Absolutely. There's just too fucking many of us. How do you fix a problem like that?

We can’t fix it. Things will happen, that will restore balance.

[mangocrazy]

There is also the problem that business and governmental projections are based on continuous growth on a finite planet, and one where the available arable land is shrinking year on year.

[mangocrazy]

The problem is the continuing increase in World population.

I have no solution to that. Sorry.

Absolutely. There's just too fucking many of us. How do you fix a problem like that?

We can’t fix it. Things will happen, that will restore balance.

They will. But they will not be popular, or enjoyable.

[JackyJoll]

There is an imbalance. It will be resolved.

[Screwdriver]

Going green - 20% is added to your gas and electricity bill, going into the pockets of those benefiting from this green 'carbon neutral' cult.

And if the UK were carbon neutral tomorrow it would make 2/5 of 3/8 of the square root of fuck all difference to the planet. We are a small, pretty insignificant, little country.

I believe the correct equation is three quarters of the square root of fuck all but you're right of course.

In some ways we are facing a disaster, climate change, global warming it is bad and it will get worse. CO2 levels are astronomically high, we're in a right pickle.

So far so what? That's not news, we get that rammed down our throats constantly. What the "news" and the greedy energy companies neglect to tell us is that nothing we do now will make the slightest difference in our lifetimes. We pumped way too much crap into the atmosphere way too quickly AND removed a large swath of the CO2 scrubbers. I think we're still chopping down the Amazon rainforest as we speak. That won't grow back in our lifetimes either.

Having spent 200 years or so dumping vast amounts of CO2 and other global warming gasses/emissions into the atmosphere it will take time for the planet to recover. Quite a lot of them I should expect. One or two centuries at least so this idea that we need to hit net zero by <name that tune> is frankly, bollocks. We need a sensible and considered approach to gently weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels. There is a rate which would be sustainable and merely lining the pockets of global corporations is not the answer.

We also need to concentrate on the worst offenders and that means China and India. Without their honest compliance (and please don't make me laugh, they are really fucking abysmal) there's hardly any point in the rest of the developed world doing anything...

[Cousin Jack]

Going green - 20% is added to your gas and electricity bill, going into the pockets of those benefiting from this green 'carbon neutral' cult.

And if the UK were carbon neutral tomorrow it would make 2/5 of 3/8 of the square root of fuck all difference to the planet. We are a small, pretty insignificant, little country.

Yes we have emitted large amounts of carbon per capita historically, and that's up there now still.

Plus this country prospered from environmentally (and morally) unsustainable practices. It's time to start paying it back.

How? Going bankrupt won't help Bangladesh, Vanuatu, et al.

[Cousin Jack]

The problem is the continuing increase in World population.

I have no solution to that. Sorry.

I don't have a solution, but one will come. Trust me, it WILL come, hopefully after I have gone because it won't be pleasant, even for the survivors.

[mangocrazy]

We also need to concentrate on the worst offenders and that means China and India. Without their honest compliance (and please don't make me laugh, they are really fucking abysmal) there's hardly any point in the rest of the developed world doing anything...

You can add the USA to that list of worst offenders. Yes, India and China need to clean up their act, but they are just latecomers to the Industrialisation party - we were doing this shit 200 years ago and pretty much ever since, and we're given a free pass? India and China are trying to raise themeselves to 'first world' levels of living standards, and who can blame them? The West set the template and they're just following.

Basically we're fucked. Whatever we do will not be enough and climate disaster will affect everyone within the next century or two. After that things may slowly improve, but how many of homo sapiens will be around to see that? Not too many, I suspect.

There are way too many of us on this planet. That's the bottom line.

[JackyJoll]

The planet isn’t in danger; the human species is in little danger of extinction any time soon. Our civilisation may be in danger of disruption or collapse.

[mangocrazy]

The planet isn’t in danger; the human species is in little danger of extinction any time soon. Our civilisation may be in danger of disruption or collapse.

The planet will survive, come what may. But the relatively comfortable life we have become accustomed to will be under increasing stress as we head into the latter stages of the 21st century. Basic amenities like access to clean drinkable water will become a battleground as time goes by. I don't believe that humans as a species will become extinct, but they will be drastically reduced in numbers.

[Screwdriver]

We also need to concentrate on the worst offenders and that means China and India. Without their honest compliance (and please don't make me laugh, they are really fucking abysmal) there's hardly any point in the rest of the developed world doing anything...

You can add the USA to that list of worst offenders. Yes, India and China need to clean up their act, but they are just latecomers to the Industrialisation party - we were doing this shit 200 years ago and pretty much ever since, and we're given a free pass? India and China are trying to raise themeselves to 'first world' levels of living standards, and who can blame them? The West set the template and they're just following.

Basically we're fucked. Whatever we do will not be enough and climate disaster will affect everyone within the next century or two. After that things may slowly improve, but how many of homo sapiens will be around to see that? Not too many, I suspect.

There are way too many of us on this planet. That's the bottom line.

Indeed but I am not laying the blame at the feet of the Chinese or the Indians, it is merely the locality of the major polluters. And it's not just the volume of pollution either but the lack of mitigation for the pollution produced in any given process. The UK (I would argue) is creating much more pollution in China than we are here at home. They are not the consumers of that pollution by product from relatively crude production methods: we are.

Again it's not my fault or yours but greedy global businesses and corporation who all KNOW their products are generating massive pollution before being shipped half way round the world> It's greed, profit and turn a blind eye. These are political problems, not technology or consumer based problems. We can't throw technology at the problem, nor can we pass the blame onto the consumer or somehow expect us to solve the issue at this end of the chain.

The problem is with the corporations and businesses who will do anytime to chase profit, drive excess consumerism and increase throughput. The even bigger problem is, they are also the ones who get to decide how to address the problem. Naturally their solution is to simply make us give them more money...

[JackyJoll]

Again it's not my fault or yours

It’s the “fault” of the human condition.

[Felix]

Might be a Blockbuster

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