Covid - newsworthy

[Horse]

I couldn't find one of the covid threads so here will do.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66054946

There has been an unusual rise in the number of children and teenagers around the world diagnosed with type 1 diabetes since Covid, say researchers.

A new study in JAMA Network Open journal has collated available data from different countries, including the UK, on more than 38,000 young people diagnosed during the pandemic.

The authors describe the increase in cases of diabetes as "substantial".

More work is needed to understand why the rise is happening, they say.

Some of the rise could be attributed to catch-up - from backlogs and delays when health services were shut - but does not explain all of the newly diagnosed cases, say scientists.

Before the pandemic, the incidence rate of childhood type 1 diabetes was already increasing - by about 3% a year.

The recent study found:

- there was a 14% rise in the rate during the first year of the pandemic, compared to before Covid
- in the second year of Covid, the rate was up about 27% on pre-pandemic levels

Researchers from the University of Toronto say, regardless of the cause, more resources and support may be needed for the growing number of children and adolescents affected by type 1 diabetes.

[MrLongbeard]

The switch to make the body attack it's own insulin making do dads was hidden in the vaccines by insulin manufacturers to increase their profits

[Yambo]

My understanding is that there are no UK children and teenagers included in the study as no one has been able to get in to see a GP for two years.

[Mussels]

I couldn't find one of the covid threads so here will do.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66054946

There has been an unusual rise in the number of children and teenagers around the world diagnosed with type 1 diabetes since Covid, say researchers.

A new study in JAMA Network Open journal has collated available data from different countries, including the UK, on more than 38,000 young people diagnosed during the pandemic.

The authors describe the increase in cases of diabetes as "substantial".

More work is needed to understand why the rise is happening, they say.

Some of the rise could be attributed to catch-up - from backlogs and delays when health services were shut - but does not explain all of the newly diagnosed cases, say scientists.

Before the pandemic, the incidence rate of childhood type 1 diabetes was already increasing - by about 3% a year.

The recent study found:

- there was a 14% rise in the rate during the first year of the pandemic, compared to before Covid
- in the second year of Covid, the rate was up about 27% on pre-pandemic levels

Researchers from the University of Toronto say, regardless of the cause, more resources and support may be needed for the growing number of children and adolescents affected by type 1 diabetes.

Interesting, especially as they list a couple of theories for the cause but there's no mention of vaccines.

[Ant]

Isn't the vaccine still legally a trial drug, which is how it was rushed through testing?

[Horse]

Isn't the vaccine still legally a trial drug, which is how it was rushed through testing?

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2M70MW

[demographic]

Apparently the people who survived the black death were also more susceptible to autoimmune defects and that has been passed on to their descendants even now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-63316538

[Ant]

Isn't the vaccine still legally a trial drug, which is how it was rushed through testing?

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2M70MW

But legally they are listed as something as such. It's not that they skipped testing as such, it's been rushed, therefore not thorough? Hence why some of the deaths and side effects after the jag. It's not my opinion, it's been in the news.

[Saga Lout]

Isn't the vaccine still legally a trial drug, which is how it was rushed through testing?

1 Of course the COVID vaccines are experimental/trial drugs. It takes 10 years or so to produce a vaccine, test it for safety and effectiveness and bring it to market.

OR

2 Of course the COVID vaccines are not experimental/trial drugs and they're safe and effective. It's just that for unknown reasons the pharmaceutical companies drag their heels testing other vaccines.

One or the other. They can't both be true.

[Ant]

May be a combination of both. Particularly in the USA (don't know about here), legally because of rushing it through, the pharmaceuticals have been given legal immunity from serious illness or death.

[DefTrap]

No corners were cut, it was an emergency, everyone pulled together, it was prioritised. There was masses of funding, plenty of volunteers, manufacturing pulled together in an unprecedented collaboration. If it wasn't so obvious it would be miraculous.

There are always side effects to medicines, read the label. And the collection of data continues following release, it's all out there.

[Mr Moofo]

This was actually news during Covid.
Bet there were loads of grants being handed out for research. Covid was one possible issue

[DefTrap]

If you think that everyone acted only for the good of mankind then god bless you, I'm envious of your innocence.

I think you need to expand on which of the other conspiracies you're referring to

I was just pointing out that the popularly held opinion that these vaccines were poorly tested and untrustworthy is easily shown to be hokum.

[Saga Lout]

I was just pointing out that the popularly held opinion that these vaccines were poorly tested and untrustworthy is easily shown to be hokum.

The reason it normally takes so long (10 years or so) to bring new drugs to market is that they need to be tested for long term safety. The only way to find out what the long term effects are is to test them over a long term. You can't get 10 years of data in 10 months.

[DefTrap]

I don't know if the vaccine is pure gold or if it'll make your cock drop off, but if you don't think pharmaceutical companies mess up with medicines then you're really not paying attention.

Of course it's -possible- that they mess up, but you'll struggle to find a more regulated industry, so carelessness and malevolence, let alone bad science, is pretty rare. These COVID vaccines are amongst the most scrutinised ever, fact gathering continues post release, as I said.

But purposely botched and abridged testing in this case.? Nope, bollocks.

But carry on finding irrelevant edge cases to disprove the whole eh? It's like kindergarten debate club.

[DefTrap]

The reason it normally takes so long (10 years or so) to bring new drugs to market is that they need to be tested for long term safety. The only way to find out what the long term effects are is to test them over a long term. You can't get 10 years of data in 10 months.

Nope, the reason it often takes 10 years is because that's how long it takes to fund, recruit, analyse, report, authorise, manufacture. And do this amongst other business and the shedloads that never get close to market. All the really important stuff is discovered in the early phases of testing.

If you're going to pull ten years out the air as your benchmark for long safety term , why not 20, 30?

[DefTrap]

As I said, I don't need to google the list of medicines that have harmed people, to make my point I only need to mention the FDA and their balls up during covid with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.

Rushed into and then rushed back out of of when they realised that they were potentially killing people.

Risk vs benefit, that's just the way it is. It hasn't always been so - sensible regulation prioritising the patient is actually pretty recent. I'm sure you had a point in there somewhere. It started off about "for the good of mankind". Patient safety is the primary tenet of medical trials as I'm sure you're aware.

[irie]

If you think that everyone acted only for the good of mankind then god bless you, I'm envious of your innocence.

I think you need to expand on which of the other conspiracies you're referring to

I was just pointing out that the popularly held opinion that these vaccines were poorly tested and untrustworthy is easily shown to be hokum.

As usual Iccy is being stroppy because he doesn't like his ignorance being publicly displayed.

[ZRX61]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

[Horse]

Oh great, graphene oxide in the vaccines...That's not good.

https://principia-scientific.com/fda-co ... -vaccines/

Everyone else seems to have a slightly different view. That's not to say you're wrong, of course (note also that the gov.uk is 2021).

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-f ... 8165173107

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The vaccine does not contain graphene oxide, the FDA again confirmed to The Associated Press. The document being cited online does not say anything about vaccine manufacturing, but instead describes using graphene oxide during a process of evaluating the vaccine’s spike protein under a microscope.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... foi-211035

The below articles may also be of interest to you.
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not contain graphene oxide - Reuters
Pfizer vaccine does not contain graphene oxide (apnews.com)

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/do ... SW_EN.html

Graphene oxide is not used in the manufacture or formulation of any of the COVID-19 vaccines or other medicines, so it would not be present at manufacturing facilities and there is no obvious way that it could get into the vaccines.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ ... ene-oxide/

Pfizer documents misrepresented to spread the false claim that the Pfizer mRNA COVID-19 vaccine contains graphene oxide

https://www.marketscreener.com/amp/quot ... -43560928/

Claim comes from misunderstanding of a Pfizer document

The Exposé article speaks about a document of "a study carried out by Pfizer between April 7th 2020 and 19th August 2020". It says that the study was conducted to "determine how the vaccine works".

This is a real study, titled Structural and Biophysical Characterization of SARS-CoV-2 Spike Glycoprotein (P2 S) as a Vaccine Antigen, and published by Pfizer in December 2020.

The Pfizer study's purpose was to characterise the vaccine antigen encoded by the company's mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 .

The Exposé article includes a screenshot of a paragraph on page 7 of the study, with the words "overlaid with graphene oxide" highlighted. It claims this is proof that the chemical compound is an ingredient in the vaccine.

But this has been taken out of context.

The graphene oxide mentioned in the study was used during a microscopic process to help examine the structure of the protein in the vaccine.