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[Ant]

[Screwdriver]

They are your goalposts, I ain't touched them because you won't tell me where they are.

So if you're saying very single link you have posted is a valid source of truthful science then I will pick one and easily tear it to shreds. And I am 100% confident I can do that to your complete satisfaction too. These sites are always self inconsistent, they say one thing and "prove" it by pointing to a source that does not in fact support their conclusion.

Once again: YOU stated that ALL the links I post are from CCD, I pointed out that's complete fucking bullshit & posted evidence that your claim is complete fucking bullshit. Then YOU moved the goalposts.
Feel free to post a quote where I said everything on CCD is "a valid source of truthful science"

Absolutely not true. This is what I said:

LMFAO!! I just love having my own little fact checker who runs off to google every time I post something in this forum.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-e ... -vehicles/

https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden ... ar-panels/

https://climatechangedispatch.com/green ... fantasies/

Genuine question: what would it take to prove to you that particular website is entirely full of propaganda and disinformation?

Is there any possibility at all for aligning your opinion with the actual science and not this web of deceit?

I look at that and the first thing I note is that they are all the same nut job website. Tell me that's not true...

But I am amazed such a simple question could leave you floundering. All I am asking for is ONE example of a climate change denier "truth" you hold dear so that I can prove to you it is WRONG.

[ZRX61]

oh look, propaganda & disinformation.. according the Screwd...who clearly stated that EVERYTHING on CCD is propaganda & disinformation...

https://climatechangedispatch.com/nyc-c ... ring-city/

[ZRX61]

But I am amazed such a simple question could leave you floundering. All I am asking for is ONE example of a climate change denier "truth" you hold dear so that I can prove to you it is WRONG.

ok, here ya go, have at it...

https://climatechangedispatch.com/fathe ... te-change/

[mangocrazy]

Unfortunately, one of the comments on the article does make an exceptionally good point; it's not climate change that's starting fires, it's climate change that means they are so hellishly prolific and so hard to contain once started.

This is the comment:

This commentary is complete nonsense. Yes, 90% of wildfires are cause by human activity, either by accident or intentionally. It’s climate change that has given us the lowest fuel moistures wildland firefighters have every seen. That leads to the explosive growth of wildfires regardless of the source of ignition. I worked as a wildland firefighter in my youth. in those days a million acre wildfire was a once in a century event. Now we experience several of them every year here in the west. The difference is climate change, which is real. Don’t believe the propaganda spewed by this website.

[Mussels]

I can't find an exact quote from Newsom to answer the semantics but I did find this and if true it might explain why he was so eager to blame cimate change, it would also explain the comment about fires getting bigger.

Newsom, who faces a recall election Tuesday, dramatically cut California's budget for wildfire prevention and resource management from $355 million in 2019 to $203 million, a more than 40 percent...

[Screwdriver]

But I am amazed such a simple question could leave you floundering. All I am asking for is ONE example of a climate change denier "truth" you hold dear so that I can prove to you it is WRONG.

ok, here ya go, have at it...

https://climatechangedispatch.com/fathe ... te-change/

That is a news report regarding a reported case of arson. It is not a pseudo-scientific discourse on climate change which that website is notorious for (and which you constantly quote from in an attempt to refute actual, real science). There is nothing in it which makes a claim one way or another regarding anthropogenic global warming . Granted some political fuckwit is trying to blame global warming but who cares what a professional liar has to say about science. It's an opinion piece of no consequence. You might just as well quote a rant from Greta Thunberg.

It does not matter if I agree or disagree with an opinion. I asked specifically for an example of a climate change denier "truth" which has swayed your opinion and you went out of your way to find an empty, meaningless news report. Given the reason for posting that innocuous snippet (to give me an example of the counter truth behind the cc scam), you are suggesting that your entire belief system regarding the veracity of everything on that website hinges on whether or not that fire was started deliberately. Is that what you are saying?

[ZRX61]

That is a news report regarding a reported case of arson. It is not a pseudo-scientific discourse on climate change which that website is notorious for (and which you constantly quote from in an attempt to refute actual, real science). There is nothing in it which makes a claim one way or another regarding anthropogenic global warming . Granted some political fuckwit is trying to blame global warming but who cares what a professional liar has to say about science. It's an opinion piece of no consequence. You might just as well quote a rant from Greta Thunberg.

It does not matter if I agree or disagree with an opinion. I asked specifically for an example of a climate change denier "truth" which has swayed your opinion and you went out of your way to find an empty, meaningless news report. Given the reason for posting that innocuous snippet (to give me an example of the counter truth behind the cc scam), you are suggesting that your entire belief system regarding the veracity of everything on that website hinges on whether or not that fire was started deliberately. Is that what you are saying?

No, You stated that EVERY post on CCD was bullshit. Are you now admitting you were wrong?

You also stated that EVERY link I posted was a CCD link, which I then proved was more of your bullshit. Feel free to admit you were wrong about that too.

[Screwdriver]

No, You stated that EVERY post on CCD was bullshit. Are you now admitting you were wrong?

You also stated that EVERY link I posted was a CCD link, which I then proved was more of your bullshit. Feel free to admit you were wrong about that too.

That is simply not true despite the fact that you keep trying to insist I have said something so that you can argue against your fantasy version, you are still refusing to answer the simple question I did ask:

LMFAO!! I just love having my own little fact checker who runs off to google every time I post something in this forum.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/big-e ... -vehicles/

https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden ... ar-panels/

https://climatechangedispatch.com/green ... fantasies/

Genuine question: what would it take to prove to you that particular website is entirely full of propaganda and disinformation?

Is there any possibility at all for aligning your opinion with the actual science and not this web of deceit?

In response, you post a news article which is an opinion piece regarding an ongoing investigation into arson.

Quite how that "proves" this nut job website is an unbiased source of scientifically valid information on climate change escapes me.

You then try and change the phrasing of my actual question so that you can argue a semantic issue rather than admit the website is full of propaganda and disinformation.



Screwd. Russian news reports are full of propaganda and disinformation. Putin is a notorious liar. Show me one single news report on the war in Ukraine and I will show you how those lies are manufactured.

ZRX61: here's one: Putin takes three sugars in his tea. Aha. Gotcha. That proves you are wrong and the website isn't full of lies and disinformation...

[ZRX61]

It's really quite simple: You used a very broad brush to paint *All/Everything* on CCD as bullshit/misinformation & that *everything* I posted was from CCD when that simply isn't the case. Now you're several days into moving the goalposts/backing up & claiming you didn't say what you actually posted.
I'm not responsible for your piss poor choice of words & we're now two days past you stating you were done...

[Screwdriver]

It's really quite simple: You used a very broad brush to paint *All/Everything* on CCD as bullshit/misinformation & that *everything* I posted was from CCD when that simply isn't the case. Now you're several days into moving the goalposts/backing up & claiming you didn't say what you actually posted.
I'm not responsible for your piss poor choice of words & we're now two days past you stating you were done...

More outright lies to try and suggest you are somehow right.

Even though you're so desperate you have to "quote" a single word to try and misrepresent/falsify my response. Here is where I used that word.

It does not matter if I agree or disagree with an opinion. I asked specifically for an example of a climate change denier "truth" which has swayed your opinion and you went out of your way to find an empty, meaningless news report. Given the reason for posting that innocuous snippet (to give me an example of the counter truth behind the cc scam), you are suggesting that your entire belief system regarding the veracity of everything on that website hinges on whether or not that fire was started deliberately. Is that what you are saying?

I am "done" trying to help you (or Ant). You are beyond help and so fixated by this nut job website, you dare not try and defend any of their pseudo-science garbage because you are not interested in the truth but only anything which supports your fixed opinion.

[ZRX61]

LOL!! You've lost the plot.

[ZRX61]

The people who are going to develop off shore wind turbines here have just been given a free pass by the State & Feds on the first 20 whales they kill.

What happens if someone can prove 21 deaths?

The fat end of sweet fuck all, same deal when they about wiped out the Golden & Bald Head eagle populations around the Tehachapi wind farms

[Count Steer]

Who knows, wind farms might help stop things like this happening. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other but it's good to know that ZRX61 is a whale fan...I'll send him a Greenpeace membership form.

Note: the article doesn't use random bold and red text nor does it insist that the deaths are directly linked to fossil fuels/man-made global warming/Republicans.

[Dodgy69]

My smart meter was a bit lower first thing this morning.

[irie]

It's really quite simple... look for any link I've posted in this thread that ISN'T from CCD & that's an example of where I've posted a link to the same source CCD used.
I would have responded to the rest of your post, but you stated you're out, so there isn't any point.

It would be only too easy for me to find a link of yours that is demonstrably untrue but that does not help you.

Is it really that difficult for you to come up with a link on that site which supports your views and that you stand by as incontrovertible?

Moving the goal posts doesn't help your case. You stated that EVERY link I posted is a CCD link. That's bullshit & you fucking know it.
How do you know what my views are? I rarely post more than a word or two when I post a CCD link. I don't buy all* the climate bullshit, evidently you do.
* Greta said humanity would have ended six days ago if we didn't change our ways 5 years ago... & then there's all the delusional crap from Gore/Kerry etc... Show me ONE fucking wild ass guess from these cretins than has been even close to 100% right.

It's in the "actual science" (c) @Screwdriver , whatever actual science is as opposed to non-actual science. Maybe.

[mangocrazy]

When governments say they are 'following the science' then you know the term has been debased beyond redemption.

[the_priest]

Energy Companies saying "well the prices will have to go up in winter as there will be shortages!" Planning the profit margins in advance, wow, getting the public used to being reamed yet again.

[Dodgy69]

My mate is going full electric...We can't make gas but we can make electricity, so he's replacing all his rads with infrared wall panel type rads. Apparently they heat objects and furnishings rather than space. With good insulation he reckons they work well.

Solar panels and a battery to get through the dark hours. Initial outlay about 12k, going by some sparky he's been talking to. Insulation in key, but it's definitely food for thought as gas is the winter killer on bills.

[Mussels]

My mate is going full electric...We can't make gas but we can make electricity, so he's replacing all his rads with infrared wall panel type rads. Apparently they heat objects and furnishings rather than space. With good insulation he reckons they work well.

Solar panels and a battery to get through the dark hours. Initial outlay about 12k, going by some sparky he's been talking to. Insulation in key, but it's definitely food for thought as gas is the winter killer on bills.

In winter when the sun is weak and he needs more energy for heating where is the electricity going to come from?

It is probably possible in a purpose designed building but a big hurdle for me is ventilation, I think the numbers are always based on not having any.