MotoGP Assen: Jack Miller: “You’re paid millions to be motorcycle racers, not drag companies through the dirt”

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MotoGP Assen: Jack Miller: “You’re paid millions to be motorcycle racers, not drag companies through the dirt”

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MotoGP Assen: Jack Miller: “You’re paid millions to be motorcycle racers, not drag companies through the dirt”

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10296 ... rough-dirt
Jack Miller says riders that constantly criticise their bikes are at risk of ruining the reputation of their manufacturers, which could turn those same companies off from wanting to race in MotoGP.

Miller made headlines after last weekend’s German MotoGP when he hit out at several riders, including Marc Marquez, for continued criticism of their machines.

While it’s been less noticeable from those currently riding Ducati or KTM machinery, riders from other brands have at times been very forthright in their criticism of the manufacturer they ride for.

Whether it’s the overall performance of their machine, a lack of development or a lack of direction, those are some of the areas of criticism that have been directed at their companies from different riders.

Miller didn’t want to get into naming specific people, but it’s thought that riders from Aprilia, Yamaha and Honda were the target of his words, before he later confirmed that Marquez was one of them.

Doubling down on the points he made last weekend, Miller told MotoGP.com: "I could probably have worded my Australian a bit better, but 100% I stand by what I said.

"At the end of the day we’re all motorcycle races and we’re paid to be motorcycle racers. If the bike is not where it should be, you’re paid to fix it. That’s your job. If you’re a construction worker, a road worker, whatever, if you’re constantly complaining about your job and how bad it is, you’re going to get the sack aren’t you.

"These companies are spending multi-million amounts of dollars to be here racing motorcycles, only for some people to drag their names through the dirt. For the sport is that healthy? No!

"Ducati are at the top at the moment because they’ve been put through the ringer for 12 years. They didn’t get there overnight. It wasn’t that they just got a magic bike and that was it.

"They worked and pulled themselves out of what was a really dire situation in 2011-2012. People forget about that. A lot of people want to write off a bike that won a championship three years ago. Then people want to talk rubbish about a bike that won the championship four years ago.

"At the end of the day you’re a motorcycle rider and you job is to come here and do your job. Not to complain about the motorbike. Not to drag the company that pays you really well through the dirt. It makes no sense to me. Like I said, it’s not healthy."

When pressed on particular names that he directed his words towards, Miller said that a multitude of riders have been making such complaints, meaning any name could have been used.

Following last Sunday’s race at Sachsenring, one of the words Miller used to describe riders with was ‘princess’, while also telling those same riders to just focus on their job

Miller has since said: "It was referred to a question. You can put whoever you want on there. But the question was that some people have a really bad bike. And I have no doubt that their bike is not a great position. But you can put whoever you want."

I'm struggling to argue... You don't see it in many sports that the criticise in the same way. But for me, you've got the ride, sign the contract and you either deal with it or you get out of there... Simple as. There's plenty of bikes that are not quite perfect, but MotoGP does seem to be a whingers paradise at the moment ?
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I agree with Jack, if you don't like the bike, find one to ride that you do like.
I'm available if Honda want to pay me to race, I might not be fast, but I'd finish the races (several laps down on the rest of the field)
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:14 pm if Honda want to pay me to race, I might not be fast, but I'd finish the races (several laps down on the rest of the field)
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weeksy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:18 pm
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:14 pm if Honda want to pay me to race, I might not be fast, but I'd finish the races (several laps down on the rest of the field)
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Whilst I mostly agree with the convict,it must be difficult for a rider to stfu when a large corporation is convinced their product is good and to quote a Honda suit,"rider necessary faster".

Certainly there is a level of professionalism expected of a factory rider,but also the crying baby will get the tit. Maybe best to keep the whining away from the press and social media.
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I agree in principle with what Jack says, but I'd have made it clear that he was referring to riders rubbishing their bikes/factories to the media, not giving 'robust' feedback within the team. Telling the media your bike's shit is a P45 fast-track with most manufacturers.

But as Skub says, when you have a manufacturer like Honda that is so monolithic and so convinced that their bike is perfect, when it's actually a crock, then I have some sympathy for the rider. But I have scant sympathy for Honda and only a little more for Marc. They designed a bike around one rider and for the most part he's been the only one who could get results on it. The collaborative Ducati approach seems a much smarter way to go racing.

And I never expected to hear myself say that...
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Are they though? This was a quote from when, 20 years ago?
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weeksy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:27 pm Are they though? This was a quote from when, 20 years ago?
What's a quote from 20 years ago?
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"rider necessary faster".
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weeksy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:46 pm "rider necessary faster".
I think that dates back to the 80s when Wayne Gardner took over Freddie Spencers 500GP bike.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:55 pm
weeksy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:46 pm "rider necessary faster".
I think that dates back to the 80s when Wayne Gardner took over Freddie Spencers 500GP bike.
Amazingly people still use that as Honda's ethos, deplspite it being 40+ years ago and 10 heads of HRC ago 😄
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weeksy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:46 pm "rider necessary faster".
I've seen that remark reported as being used at the Suzuka 8 hour race within the last 10-15 years. But journalists do tell lies sometimes, shock, horror...
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Saw this elsewhere today and it made me both laugh and a bit sad -

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weeksy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 8:27 pm Are they though? This was a quote from when, 20 years ago?
Up until this year, yes. The Honda has been flawed for a while, but it suited Marc, and he could compensate with his style. Crutch low, etc, were always pressing Honda to make it more user friendly so that riders with different styles to Marc could more consistently get it to work. Those requests, largely, fell on deaf ears as Marc was cleaning up.

However, the fact that Marc can't get the current bike to work has finally made Honda realise the riders comments are valid, as evidenced by the (previously unheard of) use of non HRC expertise (Kalex).
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 5:26 pm I agree in principle with what Jack says, but I'd have made it clear that he was referring to riders rubbishing their bikes/factories to the media, not giving 'robust' feedback within the team. Telling the media your bike's shit is a P45 fast-track with most manufacturers.

But as Skub says, when you have a manufacturer like Honda that is so monolithic and so convinced that their bike is perfect, when it's actually a crock, then I have some sympathy for the rider. But I have scant sympathy for Honda and only a little more for Marc. They designed a bike around one rider and for the most part he's been the only one who could get results on it. The collaborative Ducati approach seems a much smarter way to go racing.

And I never expected to hear myself say that...
I remember Prost doing that with Ferrari in F1, they fired him and had to pay him a load of money not to drive in 92. He came back in 93 and won everything in sight.

He had did the same in 83 with Renault, came back with McLaren in 84 and lost the championship by half a point, then won the next two titles.

If the pilot is good enough, the factory should take notice before he wins on someone else's bike.
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Without being horrible Jack Miller hasn't won a championship and never will. So yeah he probably won't complain. He's also not been on a bike holding him back from challenging for a title either.