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[KungFooBob]

USN have said they heard what sounded like a sub going *pop* at the same time the surface ship lost contact with it...

How on earth do they know that? Were they listening for it when it went down? Have they got recordings of everything and have gone back through it all??

The theory is they've got some super dooper underwater listening tech first developed in WW2 for detecting German u-boats and constantly developed (so they can listen for Chinese or Russian subs I guess), but it's super secret so they didn't want to mention that they heard a pop until after it was confirmed to have happened.

[Ant]

BTW there aren't any Tories anymore (no idea why people still use that term). Tories left the party in the 19th century.

Have you looked at the dictionary definition of 'Tory'? It's moved on a bit since James II and/or the American Revolution.

1. A Conservative (Brit politics)
2. A bigoted or extreme Conservative
3. Stuff to do with James II
4. Stuff to do with Irish robbers who preyed on English settlers in the 17c
5. Stuff to do with the American Revolution

(Origin toiridhe a pursuer, robber, first applied to the Tories in Ireland etc etc).

If you have a problem with 1 & 2 or the origin of the word, take it up with Chambers. You can wave your Whig at them.

Exactly, all 19th century and prior.....

[Pirahna]

BTW there aren't any Tories anymore (no idea why people still use that term). Tories left the party in the 19th century.

Have you looked at the dictionary definition of 'Tory'? It's moved on a bit since James II and/or the American Revolution.

1. A Conservative (Brit politics)
2. A bigoted or extreme Conservative
3. Stuff to do with James II
4. Stuff to do with Irish robbers who preyed on English settlers in the 17c
5. Stuff to do with the American Revolution

(Origin toiridhe a pursuer, robber, first applied to the Tories in Ireland etc etc).

If you have a problem with 1 & 2 or the origin of the word, take it up with Chambers. You can wave your Whig at them.

Exactly, all 19th century and prior.....

So Mogg is a Tory?

[Ant]

Have you looked at the dictionary definition of 'Tory'? It's moved on a bit since James II and/or the American Revolution.

1. A Conservative (Brit politics)
2. A bigoted or extreme Conservative
3. Stuff to do with James II
4. Stuff to do with Irish robbers who preyed on English settlers in the 17c
5. Stuff to do with the American Revolution

(Origin toiridhe a pursuer, robber, first applied to the Tories in Ireland etc etc).

If you have a problem with 1 & 2 or the origin of the word, take it up with Chambers. You can wave your Whig at them.

Exactly, all 19th century and prior.....

So Mogg is a Tory?

Possibly as he still holds traditional values and morality.

[Screwdriver]

USN have said they heard what sounded like a sub going *pop* at the same time the surface ship lost contact with it...

How on earth do they know that? Were they listening for it when it went down? Have they got recordings of everything and have gone back through it all??

They have autonomous robotic vehicles on the sea bed listening and tracking submarines. Pretty sure they would have detected such an event. Don't know how easy it would be to triangulate but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they couldn't fix the location easily within a kilometre.

[MingtheMerciless]

USN have said they heard what sounded like a sub going *pop* at the same time the surface ship lost contact with it...

How on earth do they know that? Were they listening for it when it went down? Have they got recordings of everything and have gone back through it all??

SOSUS network or its modern version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

[ZRX61]

How on earth do they know that? Were they listening for it when it went down? Have they got recordings of everything and have gone back through it all??

They didn't hear it "real time", they're saying they had to go back & listen to recordings that cover the area

[Count Steer]

USN have said they heard what sounded like a sub going *pop* at the same time the surface ship lost contact with it...

How on earth do they know that? Were they listening for it when it went down? Have they got recordings of everything and have gone back through it all??

As there are submarines (friendly or not) pootling around there are networks of underwater listening devices - usually these were piezo-electric devices that create a voltage relating to the frequency/vibration created by passing vessels. These devices were various shapes and sizes so they're tuned to particular frequency ranges. Some are relatively 'broadband', some are very specific. Nuclear/Electric subs are a bit tricky but if you dropped a big spanner on one or banged the hull with one in an area that the USA is interested in I expect it will pop up on a trace somewhere. As far as surface vessels are concerned they can probably tell you exactly what the vessel type is from the signature. The main problem used to be if there are too many vessels but something imploding probably doesn't get masked by that. The other thing is they monitor normal depths where things might normally be. Again, the implosion probably still created an anomaly as they may have to be prepared for deeper than expected incursions although they pretty much know the capabilities of hostile countries.

Oh...hang on, the military spooks are at the door....

[irie]

The economic and social problems faced by the UK look far worse than those faced by other European countries courtesy of UK news sources showing little or nothing about the social and economic problems being faced by other continental European countries. There's more in news sources about the USA than all continental European countries combined ...

[Count Steer]

The economic and social problems faced by the UK look far worse than those faced by other European countries courtesy of UK news sources showing little or nothing about the social and economic problems being faced by other continental European countries. There's more in news sources about the USA than all continental European countries combined ...

Well, yes, we're not in Europe any more (hadn't you noticed? ) but we're courting the USA and the Pacific. Why would they maintain focus on something we've left behind? Europe is just sooo yesterday, the media looks to the future.

[Mr. Dazzle]

USN have said they heard what sounded like a sub going *pop* at the same time the surface ship lost contact with it...

How on earth do they know that? Were they listening for it when it went down? Have they got recordings of everything and have gone back through it all??

Snip

S'also loads of legit scientific reasons "they" listen to the oceans all the time. Whales...fish...underwater landslides...shit like that.

They might even have picked it up on Seismometers! ISTR they found a bunch of stuff around the Kursk accident that way.

[Hoonercat]

The economic and social problems faced by the UK look far worse than those faced by other European countries courtesy of UK news sources showing little or nothing about the social and economic problems being faced by other continental European countries. There's more in news sources about the USA than all continental European countries combined ...

So now it's not just fault of remainers, but the UK news media as well?
Who's next?

[Ant]

True story, Gemma Collins set off one of those when she farted in the sea off the Southend coast.

[Hoonercat]

Cameron was a remainer, people like that had fingers in EU pies, the filthy rich elites all had something in it for them. Business leaders did, so that they could exploit the pool of cheap, dirty cheap labour, exploiting people who'd work for that kind of money.

Lol, you really don't have a clue, do you?
Your average Bulgarian farm worker can earn 2 years' salary in 6 months working in the UK. They quite literally spend 6 months working abroad, followed by (should they wish to do so*) 18 months propping up the local bars, the sort of thing people in the UK can only dream of. I bet they feel so exploited

*Most use the extra year's income to do up their houses or buy a new car, and only spend 6 months propping up the local bar

Plenty of expats who do the same, work in the UK for 3 to 4 months per year and spend the rest of the year living the life they'd always dreamed of. But for some reason, no one claims that they're being expoited

[demographic]

Possibly as he still holds traditional values and morality.

So what are they then?

Honesty? Doubt it.
Patriotism? Didn't he move his business interests into the EU when he realised that Brexit was goint to fuck em up? Like James Dyson, Farrage who obtained a German Passport, and Arron Banks who moved his money abroad before Brexit.

[Saga Lout]

Cameron was a remainer, people like that had fingers in EU pies, the filthy rich elites all had something in it for them. Business leaders did, so that they could exploit the pool of cheap, dirty cheap labour, exploiting people who'd work for that kind of money.

Lol, you really don't have a clue, do you?
Your average Bulgarian farm worker can earn 2 years' salary in 6 months working in the UK. They quite literally spend 6 months working abroad, followed by (should they wish to do so*) 18 months propping up the local bars, the sort of thing people in the UK can only dream of. I bet they feel so exploited

Surely that's the point. Businesses liked the EU because it gave them access to a vast army of low paid workers in Eastern Europe which kept wages down and increased profits.

[Pirahna]

Farrage who obtained a German Passport

I know he was married to a German and his children have German passports, I can't find any reference to him have one.

[mangocrazy]

From what I read (and I'm no expert, just a consumer of media) it appears that the sound and waveform the implosion produced was picked up, but by a highly classified device, and so the US military couldn't go public with the info until such time it became common knowledge.

So all this 'they only have 96/72/48/24 hours oxygen left' was keeping a news story running while the occupants of the device had been dead for days.

[Pirahna]

Cameron was a remainer, people like that had fingers in EU pies, the filthy rich elites all had something in it for them. Business leaders did, so that they could exploit the pool of cheap, dirty cheap labour, exploiting people who'd work for that kind of money.

Lol, you really don't have a clue, do you?
Your average Bulgarian farm worker can earn 2 years' salary in 6 months working in the UK. They quite literally spend 6 months working abroad, followed by (should they wish to do so*) 18 months propping up the local bars, the sort of thing people in the UK can only dream of. I bet they feel so exploited

Surely that's the point. Businesses liked the EU because it gave them access to a vast army of low paid workers in Eastern Europe which kept wages down and increased profits.

It's my understanding that businesses were allowed to employ migrant workers at 20% under the minimum wage, provided that those jobs had previously been available to UK workers at the correct wage. For example, a haulage company needs HGV drivers, they advertise but are unable to find any British workers. They then widen the search and can find EU workers willing to take the jobs, even at a lower pay rate. No British workers have lost out, they didn't want the jobs in the first place.

[ZRX61]

OceanGate have a job opening...

https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/oceangate ... oes-viral/

awkward..