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I used to write destructions on a bit of paper and sellotape it to the tank. But after a couple of times of having to stop and find phone signal and a signpost to ask for guidance from the friends I was aiming to visit, satnav became an ideal helper! :lol:

Even though I have a general idea of how to get from here to Calais, the time I did it without satnav (or a map :roll:) I got spectacularly lost :lol: So, whilst I always look at a map first (ok, and online map!) so I know roughly what towns I'll go past, I do rely very much on my phone working so I have satnav!! :D :D
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Noggin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:22 am But after a couple of times of having to stop and find phone signal and a signpost to ask for guidance from the friends I was aiming to visit, satnav became an ideal helper! :lol:
Two instances that convinced me of the worth of satnav (when I didn't have it) were both when I knew where I was (well, almost).

One was when, out in countryside, all of the signposts at junctions were being replaced. I was within a couple of miles of the destination, but could only see hedges.

The other was visiting someone. The road changed name half way along. I was stood outside the other number 112, mate was 100yds away, waving at me.
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I used my phone for directions, Google maps ended up my favourite because of the map and finding your destination, then hit it and follow route. My bikes garmin was set on current location and you can zoom in or out to see where you are in the country and the direction you're travelling and a handy speedo and speed limit, which wasn't always correct. 👍
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The only time I ever had issues with old style navigation (paper and direction lists) was in France where the road number changes when it enters a different department. That the confused the hell out of me the first time I encountered it.

I think I also once did a 'town-name-list' and came a cropper when the next town wasn't on any signposts (possibly because i'd picked a smaller town instead of a larger one), but it all came good in the end iirc.

Modern turn-by-turn navigation is alright, but I would always prefer (if I could find one) a 'moving map' system where you have a map displayed on the screen (with all the details, eg other towns, points of interest etc, showing*) and your route and location displayed. I find it annoying that I sometimes miss out on interesting things "just off the route" when using turn-by-turn systems.



* It used to be possible to do this with the Google maps App, but I'm not sure it can be done any more (might be wrong on that, I haven't tried for a while)
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The native system in my car does that ^ on an A4 sized screen.

In Germany you can even ask it "what's that *** on the left?" and it does a virtual tour guide. Not operational in the UK yet :lol:
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I had always relied on pre planning and written notes and a small map book but for my Norway trip i bought a second hand Tom Tom unit which i thought would be sufficient until it basically died after a few days and had to rely on my riding companions nav for the rest of the trip.

Cue 2 weeks later in the middle of Flensburg in Germany just over the Danish border and a brief discussion followed by said companion fucking off at speed and time to find my way back to home as he had the sat nav unit. I managed to to get directions to my phone but could only charge it in the top box as the lead from the underseat point wasnt long enough to reach my pocket. Plugged in an earpiece to run inside my helmet and made it back through the low countries to Calais following those instructions.

I now have a decent unit which works ok but i try to preplan before leaving to avoid issues
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Well I've had a great couple of days!! Not sure that TC loves my resort out of season like I do, I think he's very pleased not to spend too long here!! (There was nothing open on Sunday when he arrived and only one restaurant yesterday lunch and one bar last night that closed at 9pm!! :lol:)

But, awesome for me to have a friend visit. Sadly the apartment I found for him to stay in had works happening outside this morning - from 6.30 :roll: :roll:

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The weather has been weird here in that it's generally sunny in the morning then a bit grey/cloudy afternoon and sometimes nice late afternoon evening. Yesterday we had a mad hailstorm that looked a bit like it had snowed!! LOL

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But Mont Blanc made a rare appearance this morning so I could show off my best view from the apartment -

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Anyway, sent him off to do the rest of his French leg of the return home on a small english breakfast (exactly as requested, so perfect!!) and with good, not too hot weather for the ride. So so good to have a friend visit, even in the interseason!

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Cool work TC and Nogs. 8-)
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My Garmin GPSIII just connected where you are now to your destination with a straight black line overlaid over the street map so when I got to a junction I simply followed whichever road was closest to the black line. That strategy produced some of the best (and weirdest) journeys I've ever done.

On one memorable ride down to Flash's gaff, I ended up looking at the Loire thinking "f... where's the bridge". I'd forgotten about the size of the river, and the need to cross it. Astonishingly, I managed to cross by a small vehicle ferry. An hour or so later, the road turned into a green lane, I bounced down that for about 5 km on my FZ750 before exiting via a farm yard.

Got me round the National and Welsh Rallies though :)
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Noggin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:22 am I used to write destructions on a bit of paper

That has to be the most apt typo of all time knowing our beloved FUF......🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Bigjawa wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:23 pm
Noggin wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:22 am I used to write destructions on a bit of paper

That has to be the most apt typo of all time knowing our beloved FUF......🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've always called them destructions!! The other daft one is parcark - but not so apt as destructions!! :lol: :lol:
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More from TC.

You can’t always get what you want…
When you’re 1,300 miles into a journey that was supposed to be 22,000 miles long it takes a certain kind of “Road to Damascus” moment to make you change your mind. And it took a lot of soul searching before I did. If you’re not enjoying a trip why are you doing it? The dream is not gone, but as of now the head is ruling the heart. Arguably, with a working satnav and maps covering all the European region I could (and maybe should) have carried on south and explored the wonders of eastern Europe and Turkey. But being brutally honest I just didn’t feel like it. Travelling alone, hard days on the road just going from one place to the next wasn’t fun. I needed to be in the right frame of mind, and I wasn’t. I will be, another day.
Not far off my most direct return route lay Sarajevo and Mostar, places I’d long wanted to visit. I reckoned I could manage to push myself that far… who knows, I might even enjoy it. And whether in sympathy or solidarity, the sun comes out, the birds sing and the tourists stay off the road in front. Bosnia brings a contrast from EU-member Hungary, with smaller, humbler dwellings in the villages, still tended with pride though.
The hotel I’d booked in Sarajevo, just a short walk from the centre, turns out to be in a maze of tiny streets up a cobbled hill with a gradient reminiscent of the Erzberg. Smoking is compulsory in Bosnia, though as a tourist I was exempt. Sweating up 3 flights of stairs with 40 kgs of luggage to the accompanying symphony of an American B1 Lancer nuclear bomber on full afterburner buzzing the city I wonder what I’ve gotten into. But Sarajevo turns out to be a real gem – as it bills itself, a fusion of east and west - where the echoing tones of the Muezzin calling the faithful to prayer is followed by a joyful peal of church bells, while surprising numbers of international visitors head for the many pavement cafes and restaurants. The scars of the 4 years siege are all gone now, and the city is beautiful. And I'm starting to relax.
Next morning we follow the road south west, by the side of the glittering azure river Neretva in its deep tree-lined valley, to the medieval town of Mostar with its famous high arched bridge. The original, built in 1557, no longer stands, having been shelled in 1993 during the brutal post-Yugoslav civil wars. Today’s bridge was rebuilt as a direct copy of the original and reopened in 2004. Locals regularly launch themselves off it for a handful of tourist Euros, refreshing on a hot day I guess. The Stari Most, though, has succumbed to the lure of tourism and the beautiful old town around it is a mass of cafes and souvenir shops. That’s progress.
Onward to Croatia to catch up with my old mate Rod, a Brit who came to Croatia for a holiday, fell in love with it and has moved there. He likes sidecars, so he’s a bit odd 😉 but he has lovely cats and a lovely house. In the village/small town where he lives, there used to be 3 factories employing the local population including one making shoes for most of Yugoslavia. After independence the Croatian authorities weren’t interested in subsidising the factories so one by one they closed, and the town population shrank to about 3,000. 50% of the houses are now empty, the kids move away as soon as they can because there’s hardly any work and the few shops and cafes scratch a living. On the plus side, it’s a beautiful location, the weather is kind and you can buy a big house with land for less than the cost of a one bedroom flat in Gateshead.
We share a nice meal with plenty of beer for not much money with another traveller, who works online and keeps 2 bikes across the world – a European summer one and a South American summer one. I’m a little envious of the freedom and his evident enjoyment of the lifestyle, but it’s not for me. I like to have a home, and it seems that as time goes on I need to have ever better reasons for leaving it.
I spent a few weeks in Croatia in 2019 and I really like the country. It’s laid back, cheap for western Europeans, historic yet determined to be a real participant in 21st century Europe. But I’m basically heading home now, with a couple of detours, so I don’t hang around to take in the culture. Northwards, loving Croatia's empty inland roads, through monumental rain as we cross Slovenia and we’re into Italy, the country where I least enjoy riding, for the long slog across the industrial sprawl of its northern region.
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I don't know what it is about Italy. It's a beautiful country with a great climate and centuries of culture and history, but I don't enjoy driving through it. The north of the country is an endless urban sprawl, the drivers are complete dickheads who tailgate as a way of life, and it's littered with speed cameras, as if they do anything to improve driving standards. So the plan's to pass through, as painlessly as possible, but in keeping with my new plan to keep daily mileage down to a level that doesn't wear me down.

That works OK the first day, and we settle into a hotel that's near the end of the riding day rather than making the riding fit a place prebooked miles away. The first beer of the evening is great, but then it goes downhill somewhat as the chef has decided not to come in until 8.30 and when he does they charge the earth for soup, a piece of meat and a salad.

The next day the weather doesn't look great, so forgetting all my good plans I decide to hit the Autostrada heading west, stopping just short of France. The Tenere eats up the miles, equally at home on long roads as it is threading the twisties or rattling down dirt tracks, returning a remarkable 70 mpg. The tolls are expensive, but I can live with it this once to get from A to B. B turns out to be Aosta, famous in skiing circles but presents as a rather dismal town when I ride through, so I keep on going hoping for a bijou country hotel. The bijou country hotels seem to be all booked out and scrabbling around for a place to stay under threatening rain clouds, the Hotel Beau Sejour beckons. It's like Fawlty Towers, but without the staff and without the restaurant. It's run by the owner and his cat, neither of whom speak any English or much French. Everything (except possibly the cat) dates from the 1960s, but it has WiFi and there's a nice pizzeria a short walk down the road. Next morning I wake to rain, to find a tribe of mosquitos have feasted on me overnight. Despite the owner's immaculate old motorbike taking pride of place in the dining room I decline to pay 12 euros for a couple of bits of bread and jam and hit the road.

My route is the Little St Bernard Pass, a stunning mountain road with soaring vistas and a series of hairpin bends snaking up the mountainside to France, with the same coming down the other side. It's a memorable ride, but today for all the wrong reasons... cold, wet and greasy and I'm on a large, top heavy bike with knobbly tyres, carrying 40 kgs of luggage. As we trickle up the ascent with one bar of fiel on the gauge there is mercifully little traffic and finally we share the summit with a few hardy cyclists, equally uncomfortable between the snow banks that still line the road. The Satan Nav, as it shall be known, has been telling me this road doesn't exist and that to get to my next destination I need to route through Turin, but it finally accepts the inevitable and plots a route forward.

Entering France, the roads dry, the sun comes out and the temperature climbs to double figures. I stop for a coffee to defrost in a nice place with dedicated moto parking outside, but being Sunday there is naturally no food.
My French itinerary is pretty much open. I want to catch up with an old friend and a cousin I haven't seen in a decade. There's a museum to catch on the way back, but for now it's time to concentrate on regaining a bit of joie de vivre.
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Yeah, he wasn't that fond of 'out of season' ski resorts :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By the way, whilst it's probably true that (outside of tourist areas) it might be tricky to find French places serving food on a Sunday, if you head to pretty much any Sunday brocante around lunchtime, you will definitely be able to get a merguez and frites and a cold beer.
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DefTrap wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:23 pm By the way, whilst it's probably true that (outside of tourist areas) it might be tricky to find French places serving food on a Sunday, if you head to pretty much any Sunday brocante around lunchtime, you will definitely be able to get a merguez and frites and a cold beer.
This is true.

I'm sort of half spoilt cos when everything is open in summer/winter seasons, they don't shut for sunday and very few shops close for lunch!! :lol: But flip side is that in the interseasons, virtually nothing is open on any day! :( :(
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Sarajevo (Where East Meets West) and Mostar are two of my favourite cities in the World. Beautiful, with great histories pre and post the Balkan conflict.

Not sure if TC raised his sight above street level, but evidence of the war throughout both cities, and the southern Balkans is very evident everywhere.

Perhaps the fact that I have ridden the Balkans several times with a Croatian enable me to see more that the tourists.

Going back later this year, all being well.
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Whysub wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:20 pm Sarajevo (Where East Meets West) and Mostar are two of my favourite cities in the World. Beautiful, with great histories pre and post the Balkan conflict.

Not sure if TC raised his sight above street level, but evidence of the war throughout both cities, and the southern Balkans is very evident everywhere.

Perhaps the fact that I have ridden the Balkans several times with a Croatian enable me to see more that the tourists.

Going back later this year, all being well.
When I was riding in Croatia we met up with some local bikers who told us they went to a certain beat to beat homosexuals.

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Some of the Slovaks I have met hate the Ukranians, and hope that Russia wipes the country and its people off of the face of the Earth.
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La vie en rose
In holiday mode and well away from marauding squadrons of mosquitos we spend a couple of days in the clean mountain air of La Plagne – in winter a hectic ski resort, in summer busy with hill walkers and mountain bikers. But this is the “inter season” and the town is deader than a deceased thing on National Catatonia Day. I rent a little ski instructor’s flat in one of the blocks for a couple of days and it’s seriously weird to look out at all the apartments and hotels, not one of which has a light on at night. My friend and I do lunch in the only bar open at lunchtime, and grab a beer in the only bar open in the evening, which closes at 9. After a day’s chilling and a trip down to the (almost alive) town down the valley Tenere and I are back on the road, chain lubed and adjusted for the first time since Osijek, no other maintenance required.
It's not too far to my cousin’s place, a beautiful old house in a medieval town that’s definitely not dead, and where French is the only language to be heard - though waiters in the cafes immediately spot my schoolboy French and switch into perfect English. The bike rests in the cool cellar-cum-garage while I am treated like a king and shown the delights of the area. The years fall away and pretty soon we’re those teenage kids again, laughing and playing under sunny Irish holiday skies.
The road is calling for my final stint back home. I’m not going to rush, planning night stops in Rocamadour and Saumur before catching the boat at Caen back to the UK, which has been basking in a heatwave while I dodge the raindrops in Europe. Neither night stop goes particularly well, arriving soaked in Rocamadour in no mood to explore the old town, and having to wait for the hotel reception, another one-man band with no restaurant, to open at 4.30. Saumur turns out to be another 1960s type hotel, but this time in the style of a low budget motel, where all the rooms have external doors, reception doesn’t open until 5 and self check-in doesn’t work because it ran out of key cards. It hurls down with rain while I’m waiting to get in, luckily I can shelter and later when the rain has passed I walk to a chain restaurant for a very acceptable burger. Only the French would ask you how you want your meat done, and happily I have learned that I like it “à point”.
Watching the Le Mans car race on the room TV I realise that my route tomorrow, the last day of this epic not epic trip, takes me through Le Mans with the likelihood of the roads being jammed with thousands of overheating Porsches. I resolve to make an early start to get through the town well before the race finishes.
First thing in the morning my stop is the Musée des Blindés, the French Army’s tank museum. Being a bit of a geek I love stuff like that. It’s not as big as Bovington Camp in Dorset, but still a couple of hours well spent.
We pass Le Mans in good time with no major delays and time to spare before the overnight ferry, predictably with all cabins booked by the Le Mans crowd. I did a little tour of some of the D-Day sites when I was in Normandy before, but I missed the Pegasus Bridge. The sense of history when you see these places, before only names but now real, is incredibly poignant. If only the human race would learn the lessons of the past, but it never does.
Finally we board, a couple of last pints in the ship’s crowded bar and an uncomfortable sleepless night in the recliner seats listening to some bloke on the floor snoring like a rhinoceros. Portsmouth, 20 minutes delay while UK border force (who couldn’t possibly set up in France while we were queuing for the boat) crawl over all the campervans and look in car boots in case a dark skinned person might try to get into blessed Albion, the A31 at rush hour and it’s all over. 3 weeks, 4,000 miles, 10 countries, just like that.
If it doesn’t come naturally, leave it
Writing this, a week later, I still don’t really understand what happened. Turning back felt like the right decision at the time, and it still does. Yet how could I want something so much, plan for so long, yet be deterred by something so seemingly trivial? The closest I think I can get is this:
• Dreams and reality are not the same. Have your dreams, but remember that the reality may be different and you may have to choose between the two.
• Age is not just a number. As you get older your body finds it harder to take the aches from long days in the saddle. You can’t comfortably ride as far, so it takes you longer to get places, and if “places” are a long way away, that means a long time covering a lot of empty miles.
• I’m not somebody who could live on the road. I already knew this, but I thought a trip “there and back” would be purposeful enough to be worth the extended time away from home. But as it dawned on me that I would be facing either a succession of exhausting days seeing nothing but the road, or a much longer succession of shorter days and lonely hotel rooms, the attraction of riding alone, for weeks at a time, faded.
• This trip should have happened 5 years ago but stuff kept happening to push it back, and even earlier this year as I was getting ready to go lots of stupid things kept happening – visa offices closing without notice, a dead laptop, the bike problems, the errant satnav – and that had started to get to me. I got over all those little problems and of course people have got over far bigger ones on their dream trips. I’m not religious or superstitious but I couldn’t get rid of that little voice.
Memento mori
So the trip of a lifetime turned into more a voyage of self-discovery, who’d have thought it? Am I disappointed? Hell yeah. Embarrassed? Also yeah. In hindsight I should just have gone, no fanfares, turned my sights east and seen where the road took me. That’s more along the lines of real adventure travel anyway, and if you don’t set a target you won’t fail to hit it. But did I enjoy it? For sure I hated the first thousand miles. But with the decision made a weight came off my mind and I started to have fun. The road miles were taken with a light heart, I soaked in the sun and the glorious scenery I passed through, the crappy hotels were something I could laugh about and the joy of catching up with friends and family lifted my soul. Because that’s what travel at its best does for you. Maybe not hardcore adventuring but holiday riding, there’s nothing to beat it. So is it the end of adventuring for me? No, but it’s a lesson learned, that the truly hardcore stuff isn’t my forte and that I need to be aware of my own limitations and preferences. There are still adventures to be had, but I’ll be doing them my way and in my own time. In the meantime I’ll enjoy reading about the adventures of others with a mixture of envy and admiration, and dreaming about the distant horizons that I will visit in future.
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