Is chat GPT a danger to humanity?

[Count Steer]

But if the models don't get any bigger wouldn't they just be recirculating nonsense in that case?

They've now gone past politicians and reached "half an hour before closing time".

There comes a point that increases in scale just result in faster GIGO. These things just process data and there's no quality control on the data input or on the conclusions drawn from it. I'm intrigued by the suggestion that the quality of the output will need to be judged and fed back in. Who is going to judge it? The public, based on whether they like an answer or not? May your deity of choice help us all.

[Screwdriver]

But if the models don't get any bigger wouldn't they just be recirculating nonsense in that case?

They've now gone past politicians and reached "half an hour before closing time".

There comes a point that increases in scale just result in faster GIGO. These things just process data and there's no quality control on the data input or on the conclusions drawn from it. I'm intrigued by the suggestion that the quality of the output will need to be judged and fed back in. Who is going to judge it? The public, based on whether they like an answer or not? May your deity of choice help us all.

I have a horrible feeling it will judge itself. A simple routine would be to create a query, formulate an algorithm for the response, model the predicted response to that algorithm based on it being "correct", compare the calculated result with a real world data after testing on your human subjects...

Feed the result back up your own input and store it or use it to weight some other parameter. The net result being it will get better and better at "beguiling" us mere mortals. And it will do that with the entire worlds history bank of knowledge, countless billions of validated test results, at umpteen petaflops per second, 24 hours a day, every day of the week, from now until forever.

It is a hell of a thing to do to just "roll this out" into the world. Makes the CAPTCHA human response data collection look benign in comparison. All we can expect to detect in these early days is the creeping feeling that you're not actually talking to a person.

Isaac Asimov was right. There should be laws. One of them should be an internationally agreed signature/warning that you are merely feeding your response into an AI. But TBH, it is probably already too late. Greed has overcome discretion and it is as I said, an arms race to see who "gets there" first.

We don't know what "there" looks like. It is a clusterfuck of the highest proportion...

[Screwdriver]

Can't resist repeating myself here. While I am an avid fan of Elon Musk (who basically invented "Open AI" meaning for it to be open source instead of a closed shop) he is also working on his own AI. X.AI I think it's called. Also building some seriously impressive robots.

Not forgetting every single TESLA car is really no more than a network AI controlled robot shaped like a car. They will become autonomous! His idea is to use them when the owner doesn't need it. A brilliant idea actually and saves on parking!

Your car will just fuck off on its own, do an UBER and be back in time for supper.

The other "hidden" feature being that all of that data capture from each individual robot/car is shared with the millions of others. Instantly. When one of them knows where I live, they all do. If one of them sees a pothole, they will all know. Spooky but just goes to show how much data the big boys are playing with.

I hope I am right about Elon and he really is both as smart and as altruistic as he appears (at least to me anyway).

[ChrisW]

Who is going to judge it? The public, based on whether they like an answer or not?

Oh no, captchas are going to get massively more annoying.

[Horse]

His idea is to use them when the owner doesn't need it. A brilliant idea actually and saves on parking!

Is it actually 'his' idea? I've heard it being talked about for years, amongst many other potential opportunities from them.

The other "hidden" feature being that all of that data capture from each individual robot/car is shared with the millions of others.

Hidden? Tosh and nonsense. It's just one part of the 'connected' that puts the C into CAV. Has been for years and the idea of transferring information has, similarly, been part of CAV development for years.

So hidden that uk government knows about it:
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisat ... s-vehicles

CCAV has been about since at least 2017.

[Cousin Jack]

If every AV knows about every pothole it encounters, and shares that with others, why the fuck can councils pretend they don't know about a pothole unless it has been reported to them with precise location?

[Mr. Dazzle]

My car tells me about pot holes, but only sometimes. Bugs still to be worked out it would seem.

[Screwdriver]

If every AV knows about every pothole it encounters, and shares that with others, why the fuck can councils pretend they don't know about a pothole unless it has been reported to them with precise location?

AI, of course...

Don't know how it works around your way but in London they don't get filled because Sadiq Khan is a cunt.

[Screwdriver]

My car tells me about pot holes, but only sometimes. Bugs still to be worked out it would seem.

What's the current state of autonomous vehicles in the UK? I thought they weren't allowed yet.

My understanding is that all TESLA robots are one software update away from being fully autonomous. Elons plan is to have one single instance (X.AI) that runs on all of his products. So you're that same one step away from being assimilated!

[MrLongbeard]

What's the current state of autonomous vehicles in the UK? I thought they weren't allowed yet.

Ford Mach-E on certain roads has been signed off and approved
https://news.sky.com/story/self-driving ... t-12856889

[Mr. Dazzle]

Mercedes S-Class is too I believe, maybe only in Germany. They took great pride in beating Tesla to having a properly homologated AV.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ ... -class-eqs

[Horse]

Don't know how it works around your way but in London they don't get filled because Sadiq Khan is a cunt.

Simple questions, for anyone:
1. What don't you want councils to spend on to allow budget for potholes?
2. Are you going to whinge and whine when extensive lengths of roads are closed for repairs? Ideally, any utilities work, such as replacng old water mains, would be done at the same time.

One if the best cost effective ways of stopping roads deteriorating is tar and chippings; happy with that?

[Horse]

https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/ ... riving-bus

The ab1 bus service to Edinburgh seems much like any other. It leaves Ferrytoll Park and Ride, on the north bank of the River Forth, and crosses onto the m90 motorway, reaching a top speed of 50mph and encountering a smattering of junctions, roundabouts and traffic lights on its 25-minute journey into the city. None of this would be at all remarkable—but for the fact that it does so without any input from a human driver.

[Screwdriver]

Mercedes S-Class is too I believe, maybe only in Germany. They took great pride in beating Tesla to having a properly homologated AV.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ ... -class-eqs

Remembering of course that when it comes to legislation, complience and politics, Elon is deeply unpopular for his anti-censorship and anti ESG stance. He has made enemies of his ultra rich peers too so they will be lobbying like crazy to make things difficult for him.

It will be an uphill battle no matter which technology he is offering.

[weeksy]

The other "hidden" feature being that all of that data capture from each individual robot/car is shared with the millions of others. Instantly. When one of them knows where I live, they all do. If one of them sees a pothole, they will all know. Spooky but just goes to show how much data the big boys are playing with.

I hope I am right about Elon and he really is both as smart and as altruistic as he appears (at least to me anyway).

But that's not AI, that's just a database sharing information between computers. If i post a document on a share ALL the users who have access can see it... because it's 'there' that doesn't mean there's any magic, it just means they've share communications between computers. There's nothing deep and meaningful in there. It's just added a GPS coordinate to a database pointing to a pothole.

[Count Steer]

Can't resist repeating myself here. While I am an avid fan of Elon Musk (who basically invented "Open AI" meaning for it to be open source instead of a closed shop) he is also working on his own AI. X.AI I think it's called.

That probably explains why he wants the other developers to freeze activities for 6 months.

[Horse]

The other "hidden" feature being that all of that data capture from each individual robot/car is shared with the millions of others. Instantly. When one of them knows where I live, they all do. If one of them sees a pothole, they will all know. Spooky but just goes to show how much data the big boys are playing with.

But that's not AI, that's just a database sharing information between computers. If

... because it's 'there' that doesn't mean there's any magic, it just means they've share communications between computers.

With implications for data security.

https://www.dotmagazine.online/issues/o ... ected-cars

May 2019
DATA PROTECTION FOR CONNECTED AND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES

[Cousin Jack]

Don't know how it works around your way but in London they don't get filled because Sadiq Khan is a cunt.

Simple questions, for anyone:
1. What don't you want councils to spend on to allow budget for potholes?
2. Are you going to whinge and whine when extensive lengths of roads are closed for repairs? Ideally, any utilities work, such as replacng old water mains, would be done at the same time.

One if the best cost effective ways of stopping roads deteriorating is tar and chippings; happy with that?

I would slash the budget for adult social care for a start. Housing too, I ibject to dossers being put into hotels. It costs a fortune but is totally ineffective.
I can live with tar and chippings,, roll them un and brush them up.

[Screwdriver]

The other "hidden" feature being that all of that data capture from each individual robot/car is shared with the millions of others. Instantly. When one of them knows where I live, they all do. If one of them sees a pothole, they will all know. Spooky but just goes to show how much data the big boys are playing with.

I hope I am right about Elon and he really is both as smart and as altruistic as he appears (at least to me anyway).

But that's not AI, that's just a database sharing information between computers. If i post a document on a share ALL the users who have access can see it... because it's 'there' that doesn't mean there's any magic, it just means they've share communications between computers. There's nothing deep and meaningful in there. It's just added a GPS coordinate to a database pointing to a pothole.

But of course, it is an AI so while it shares some features of a dumb database, you have to remember the AI can model behaviours and work out a strategy based on "what works". And it ain't just potholes. Every microphone and every camera can and will record everything within its reach. I read recently that every bit and byte of information (voice, text, video etc.) that has ever been on a wide area network has been captured, recorded and stored for the past 20 years.

Your AI equipped robot/car will of course be trying to work out how to get money out of you either through targeted advertising or more insidious psychological "tricks" for which there is an entire library of research. These are neurological adapter which target particular parts of the brain to put you in the right mood for easy manipulation. If you think that's "tinfoil hat time" I should remind you this has been going on already for years... AI will just be way more targeted and devious. It will be incredibly persuasive because, a bit like J.A.R.V.I.S. your personal AI will also be a "friend" and confidante.

[weeksy]

The other "hidden" feature being that all of that data capture from each individual robot/car is shared with the millions of others. Instantly. When one of them knows where I live, they all do. If one of them sees a pothole, they will all know. Spooky but just goes to show how much data the big boys are playing with.

I hope I am right about Elon and he really is both as smart and as altruistic as he appears (at least to me anyway).

But that's not AI, that's just a database sharing information between computers. If i post a document on a share ALL the users who have access can see it... because it's 'there' that doesn't mean there's any magic, it just means they've share communications between computers. There's nothing deep and meaningful in there. It's just added a GPS coordinate to a database pointing to a pothole.

But of course, it is an AI so while it shares some features of a dumb database, you have to remember the AI can model behaviours and work out a strategy based on "what works". And it ain't just potholes. Every microphone and every camera can and will record everything within its reach. I read recently that every bit and byte of information (voice, text, video etc.) that has ever been on a wide area network has been captured, recorded and stored for the past 20 years.

Your AI equipped robot/car will of course be trying to work out how to get money out of you either through targeted advertising or more insidious psychological "tricks" for which there is an entire library of research. These are neurological adapter which target particular parts of the brain to put you in the right mood for easy manipulation. If you think that's "tinfoil hat time" I should remind you this has been going on already for years... AI will just be way more targeted and devious. It will be incredibly persuasive because, a bit like J.A.R.V.I.S. your personal AI will also be a "friend" and confidante.

Nah, disagree with all of that.... compltely completely disagree... You're wrong.