In todays news...

[Slenver]

4 usual suspects

Without knowing which people you count in that list it's hard to know how to respond

It's a fight to the death. No chance of a winner

This much is evidently true. By everyone's admission I'm sure.

[Screwdriver]

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1. Roberta Kaplan was personally involved in the creation (!) of this new law which allows allegations to be made decades after an alleged event is claimed to have occurred.

https://19thnews.org/2021/08/times-up-l ... -response/

She is also the lawyer representing her client (Carroll) in this case.

2. Not Carroll (the plaintiff) but her lawyer Kaplan. (I will have to go back and make sure I didn't swap the names over when I first mentioned this "coincidence"). As you might be able to tell from her own history (above link), Kaplan hasn't always been championing women who complain of sexual assault. Quite the opposite when it comes to political affiliation.

3. Indeed she did. Almost as if she had been pursuing the passing of this law specifically to go after Trump. Is there any evidence whatsoever to suggest otherwise? She was boasting about it on CNN the next day...

4. Well the facts speak for themselves. The day after the law was passed, Kaplan pursued a case against Trump. I make an ironic comment that she "just happened to pick Trump" as the first use for this somewhat unprecedented "window of opportunity" (a direct quote from Kaplan).

[Screwdriver]

Fuck me. The level of stupidity in here is breathtaking.

It just went up exponentially.

[Yorick]

Fuck me. The level of stupidity in here is breathtaking.

It just went up exponentially.

You spend hours and hours in here arguing to the death.
It must make you very proud.
Well done
You're like a fucking rabid dog.

Arguing is for losers.

Go outside. Smile

[Screwdriver]

It's getting late. I'm a bottle of wine down. I didn't understand any of that. If you could just tell me what question I'm supposed to respond to then I will.

If you don't know what the question is, why do you insist on telling me I am wrong? Guess you just have auto wrong enabled, aka confirmation bias.

Also you said earlier

I stopped watching Fox News when they sacked Tucker Carlson

Which, as I just said, was two weeks ago. Ergo, and correct me if I'm wrong, you did watch Fox News. Not sure what your point is. I say (jokingly as it goes, because I didn't expect anyone to admit to this) 'oh, you must watch Fox News'. You reply with, effectively, yes, until recently. And then follow with a barage of defence that you don't. And yes, of course people doubt its veracity if anything comes from there. Like I say, by their own admission they shouldn't be taken seriously. It's not 'news', it's nasty, vicious racist, far-right rhetoric and lies that's cost them dearly recently.

I have watched it in the past, specifically to catch Tucker Carlson who I personally rate because he clearly is happy to speak his own mind.

That does not mean everything I say is parroting Fox News ffs. If I make an observation you disagree with, just ask where I found any evidence for my opinion.

You and others on this forum constantly tell me I am using Fox News as my source when I have made no mention of doing so.

Er, see above. It's this actual thread, dude, it's this evening! You've come over all trumpian and think that denying stuff you're on record as saying suddenly doesn't count. It doesn't work like that.

Err, back at ya, just because I have watched Fox does not mean 1. I believe anything/everything on that channel 2. that the specific comment I might make has ever even appeared on that channel.

Is that really so difficult to understand so soon after you reveal you also pick and mix from a variety of sources? Instead you chop up a post to make it appear as if I am saying I sourced a news item from Fox when in the very post you carefully edit to prove your point, I actually state it is NOT the source.

Screwdriver says something which contradicts the mainstream media narrative, therefore he got it off Fox News.

Ugh, this is getting tiresome. No... Screwdriver says something which is. Yes, he probably got it off of Fox News. By your own admission. Though I think this Fox thing is becoming an irrelevant sideline you need to let go.

General handwaving rhetorical bollocks. Give me a SPECIFIC example of "stupid, full of holes, lies and insane conspiracy theories, easily disproven and generally a bit wacky".

NAME ONE!

FFS.

It's the same old nonsense. You cast aspersions without naming a single example of a comment you claim proves I am deserving of such insulting, illogical rhetoric.

For anyone wondering how this is "news" I would suggest this is what "news" has become. A wilderness of mirrors...

[Screwdriver]

Fuck me. The level of stupidity in here is breathtaking.

It just went up exponentially.

You spend hours and hours in here arguing to the death.
It must make you very proud.
Well done
You're like a fucking rabid dog.

Arguing is for losers.

Go outside. Smile

Maybe I should pop down to the beach and leer at some lovely ladies.

[Ant]

Sneaky anglers get time in prison for cheating.

Fishing cheats net prison sentence over scandal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65567422

No getting off the hook for them. Felt the full weight of the law. The scales of justice. Ad infinitum.

I want to know why all the other fishermen weren't prosecuted.

They pleaded guilty in March to cheating and unlawful ownership of wild animals.

Fisherthem.

[Ant]

Sneaky anglers get time in prison for cheating.

Fishing cheats net prison sentence over scandal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65567422

No getting off the hook for them. Felt the full weight of the law. The scales of justice. Ad infinitum.

Naughty Bhoys. They should gone net zero.

[wheelnut]

Falsehoods are easy to confirm, truths are more difficult to prove. This is the foundation of science for example. The logic is fairly easy to understand, ask Betrand Russell

I think Russell (and science) said the polar opposite of that Screwd - you can’t prove a negative - hence his teapot.

That’s why you have to have evidence to back up what you say. A fact lost on a lot of YouTubers and hack TV news channels.

[Horse]

Here's another way to look at that factually true spin using "alternate" facts which the media did not want you to know:

Factually true, but 'spin' because it doesn't fit the preferred narrative?

Sheesh

Addendum:

A fact cannot be either true or false

The Philosophy of Logical Atomism (1918-19)
Lecture 1: Facts and Propositions*
Bertrand Russell

[Screwdriver]

Falsehoods are easy to confirm, truths are more difficult to prove. This is the foundation of science for example. The logic is fairly easy to understand, ask Betrand Russell

I think Russell (and science) said the polar opposite of that Screwd - you can’t prove a negative - hence his teapot.

That’s why you have to have evidence to back up what you say. A fact lost on a lot of YouTubers and hack TV news channels.

It's not that simple when you think about specific examples. Russell's Teapot is an example which states a proposition must be "falsifiable". Fair enough, appears to confirm your proposition. But the falsifiability of a news item is a lot easier than searching for a teapot in low Earth orbit....

"Truth" I discover is a darned site more difficult to confirm. Not just because of the extraordinary amount of shadow bans, censorship and false information but also of course, the reliability of the source which really has to be impeccable.

So when a newsperson declares, oh, I dunno, "innocent schoolboy killed when he was knocked off his moped" and after a little bit of digging you discover he left school to run drugs for a rival gang across county lines and was executed while riding a stolen motorbike, there are sufficient clues as to the veracity of the story.

I generally find the same is true for many stories I dare not repeat: a bit of digging reveals missing information that does not suit the media narrative and reveals the lies we are constantly being told. Must admit, sometimes the veracity of a statement relies entirely on the precise wording. Something that "Snopes" uses all the time to "debunk" a story using clever word play. There is so much of that going on right now it makes your head spin. Pun intended...

[ZRX61]

I think Russell (and science) said the polar opposite of that Screwd - you can’t prove a negative - hence his teapot.

That’s why you have to have evidence to back up what you say. A fact lost on a lot of YouTubers and hack TV news channels.

Remove predictions, modelling & wild ass guesses from climate change *science* & look at the evidence of what has actually happened & it all basically collapses.. especially as predictions & modelling are nothing but wild ass guesses & haven't once got it right. Made a lot of people rich though.

[Yambo]

A biker is in the zoo when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion’s cage.
Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her under the eyes of her screaming parents.

The biker runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch. Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back, letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.

A New York Times reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter says, “Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I saw a man do in my whole life.” The biker replies, “Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.”

The reporter says, “Well, I’m a journalist from the New York Times, and tomorrow’s paper will have this story on the front page… so, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have?”

The biker replies, “I’m a U.S. Marine and a Republican.”

The following morning the biker buys The New York Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:

“U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH.”
______________________________________________
Apologies for the U.S. slant

[Screwdriver]

Remove predictions, modelling & wild ass guesses from climate change *science* & look at the evidence of what has actually happened & it all basically collapses.. especially as predictions & modelling are nothing but wild ass guesses & haven't once got it right. Made a lot of people rich though.

Far too simplistic analysis of the current state of climate science. Not even close to the truth...

The models are extraordinarily accurate considering the extreme complexity of the earths climate. Vastly, unimaginably more complex than people really appreciate.

Without diving too much into the detail of this polarising topic, I agree with the thrust of your statement which suggests unscrupulous politicians and business entities are manipulating the scientific evidence as an excuse to extract more money for essentially the same thing.

I'd like to know how every single energy supplier out there can claim to be "carbon neutral" and environmentally clean as a whistle. As if they can magically create energy from nothing AND guarantee every amp of power thy supply to you is from some magical "sustainable environmentally saintly source" as if it's not just tapped out of the national grid. Just so long as you pay more money for it, everything is better. Every single one of them. There is a lot of scamming being done in the name of "science".

Science is the purest of all human pursuits. It is the fundamental reason which justifies our persistence; otherwise what do we do? We merely exist.

But it breaks my heart to see politics and business bastardise and pervert their interpretation of "science" to further their own greed. That is what humans do sadly but do not mistake that sort of "weaponisation" as in any way the "fault" of science itself..

[ZRX61]

Far too simplistic analysis of the current state of climate science. Not even close to the truth...

The models are extraordinarily accurate considering the extreme complexity of the earths climate. Vastly, unimaginably more complex than people really appreciate.

If that were the case, we wouldn't have some of the people who actually create the software to do the modelling telling us the software is flawed & wildly inaccurate.

[ZRX61]

Looking forward to the day when it becomes extremely fucking obvious that going from 0.04% to 0.03% will have devastating consequences for plant life on the planet & we won't be around to see 0.02% because EVERYTHING will be dead.

On the upside, the fucking vegans will be the first to cark it.

[Yorick]

It just went up exponentially.

You spend hours and hours in here arguing to the death.
It must make you very proud.
Well done
You're like a fucking rabid dog.

Arguing is for losers.

Go outside. Smile

Maybe I should pop down to the beach and leer at some lovely ladies.

I walk along the seafront every day.
Often with the missus.
She does like to comment on the nice young males. And does point out to me, any ladies sunbathing topless.

But thanks for the top tip.

I can't reciprocate as you live in a shit hole city.

[Screwdriver]

If that were the case, we wouldn't have some of the people who actually create the software to do the modelling telling us the software is flawed & wildly inaccurate.

Show me some evidence for that.

[Horse]

I walk along the seafront every day.
Often with the missus.
She does like to comment on the nice young males. And does point out to me, any ladies sunbathing topless.

Filly: "Did you see what she was wearing?"
H: What, the busty blonde in the tight top?
Filly: "Yes"
H: No, I didn't see her.

Mind you, Foal was at swimming lessons. Filly said, about a friend's 12-14 year old daughter*, something like "Isn't she stunning?"
I reminded her that it would not be appropriate for me to comment.

* She rowed in the female Oxford Vs Cambridge boat race a few years after.

[Count Steer]

I walk along the seafront every day.
Often with the missus.
She does like to comment on the nice young males. And does point out to me, any ladies sunbathing topless.

* She rowed in the female Oxford Vs Cambridge bat race a few years after.

Night race was it?