Time Vs Milage based servicing

[Taipan]

Really good oil Plus really clean engines.

My car is "up to 20k" as well, pretty par for the course these days.

I just cant get my head round it! Seems like car abuse!

[Whysub]

The JLR Ingenium d180/240 engine has an oil change at 21000 miles or 2 years. HTF can any oil be expected to mintain performance for 21000 miles!!!

Frequent high mile drives are better for oil that short journeys.

It's why I am happy to buy high mileage bikes and cars, as something that gets ridden or driven a few miles knackers the oil.

[Taipan]

The JLR Ingenium d180/240 engine has an oil change at 21000 miles or 2 years. HTF can any oil be expected to mintain performance for 21000 miles!!!

Frequent high mile drives are better for oil that short journeys.

It's why I am happy to buy high mileage bikes and cars, as something that gets ridden or driven a few miles knackers the oil.

I don't use it very often, not even done a 1000 miles since I got it, and my runs are a mix of local and 70 mile round trips. So it'll certainly be getting an oil change way before its due one. Probably an annual change?

[Supermofo]

The JLR Ingenium d180/240 engine has an oil change at 21000 miles or 2 years. HTF can any oil be expected to mintain performance for 21000 miles!!!

Really good oil Plus really clean engines.

My car is "up to 20k" as well, pretty par for the course these days.

My Mrs 2009 Citroen (same engine as some Pugs, BMW 1 series and Minis among others) was also 2 year/20k miles oil changes. And they are very well known for tensioner issues/timing chain stretch, oil use and vanos issues. Speaking to various mechanics and looking online much is blamed on the overly long service intervals. I let the Mrs leave it for 20k miles once and I really shouldn't have, the oil was bloody minging and that was good quality oil. Shortly after the chain jumped 2 teeth on the sprocket, luckily no other damage but still £750 chain replacement. That was at 69k miles.

My mates 2018 Disco sport just had to have its timing chain replaced at 40k miles. Co-incidence?

My car only does 6k a year now but just get it done as oil is a lot cheaper than engine issues.

[Supermofo]

I just bought a new Honda, and took out their service plan at €399, which also increased the warranty to five years, and included a free Mapit location tracker (usual cost €189).

This plan is either for an annual service (for four years), or mileage based at 1,000, 12,000, 24,000 and 36,000 kms.

As I do a lot of miles, the plan makes sense, as I will do 36,000 kms in less than three years. This means that the valve adjustment will be done within the plan.

If I did far less miles, the annual service would be little more than an oil and filter change, so the doubt it would be value for money.

That seems like very good value At a Suzuki dealer mine was £260 last year for the 600 miles service and another £250 this year for a 'light' service, according to Suzuki schedule mine is coming up for its 3rd year service inc plugs and throttle body balance which they wanted £460 for. So if you are doing big miles I reckon a dealer here would be way more expensive than 399 euros for 4 years of servicing.

[v8-powered]

A lot of my work is maintenance optimisation - not on cars but on trains (electric and diesel/electric hybrids).
Big pushes on improving reliability and saving costs by not over maintaining but there is a limit how far it can be pushed but OEM's are only interested in the short term cost.

Really not keen on this whole 'long life oil' shit in cars - yes some things can be pushed out but leaving the same oil in a car for 2 years, more so if low mileage local use, is a ticking timebomb and far more so if a diesel.
Internet is full of diesel cars with sumps half full of diesel from incomplete DPF regens - just Volvo for example, as we own one but a petrol variant - forever reports of cars reporting oil overfilled when in facts it's oil diluted by a litre of unburnt diesel. Dealers will drain and refill with fresh oil but at a cost, stating car not being used correctly! Some owners chose to ignore and are happy to run around with diluted oil - not ideal for the long term.

Our last couple of cars have been petrol due to the ever increasing issues with DPF, EGR etc. and with the decent fuel economy from bigger petrol cars these days, I can't see why you'd even buy a diesel unless you are cover 20k+ miles per year. Our 250bhp petrol 1800kg SUV will do near 42 mpg on a run and 20's around town - happy to live with that and a yearly service interval.

[Supermofo]

Big pushes on improving reliability and saving costs by not over maintaining but there is a limit how far it can be pushed but OEM's are only interested in the short term cost.

That would be my concern. Most manufacturers only see the car for what, 2-3 years of PCP/warranty? If the car needs parts/repair after they are liable they either get money for that in repairs/parts or don't really care. Let's face it, old cars aren't good for the manufacturers. Whereas telling new owners of brand new cars that they only need 2 year/20k servicing is a good selling point.

You've only got to look at JLR to see a lot of people completely overlook the fact that RR/LR come bottom of every reliability chart in every test, and have done for years. But they sell by the bucket load.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I've just checked the app...my car reckons 284 days to a service (I got it new in Feb), but it doesn't even mention oil! I'm pretty sure it's once a year for oil though.

My washer fluid is apparently tip top

[v8-powered]

@KungFooBob - just clocked it's you that started this thread.
If your new Ovlov is a diesel, watch out for high oil level warnings. Some of the paranoid ones over on the the Ovlov forums actually use OBD scanners to monitor DPF regens etc to prevent it.

[KungFooBob]

I do 50 miles a day on my commute, so I'm hoping it should be ok.

I'm also averaging nearly 50mpg, which is nice, without touching a motorway!

[Taipan]

Can you use a motorway every now and again? Its the high operating temps and higher revs that produce the most successful regen.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Bobs car probably has a 8, 9 or even 10 speed gearbox though.

My car actually revs higher on 60mph roads than motorways. 70mph is just about fast enough to get into top gear, it's 1300rpm on the motorway. Slower roads actually drive higher engine speeds.

I went in the same model of car on the Autobahn last year...>100mph on the cruise control and <2000rpm. Wish that was legal in the UK

[KungFooBob]

8 speed, I can manually knock it into 8th at 43mph.

[Demannu]

Most importantly though, what is this 'servicing' that you all speaketh of?
The SAAB has a button on the dash that does all that!

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[v8-powered]

Most importantly though, what is this 'servicing' that you all speaketh of?
The SAAB has a button on the dash that does all that!

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Best dash layout ever on Saab - I had a 9-3 Aero, loved the layout and the night button

[Whysub]

A lot of my work is maintenance optimisation - not on cars but on trains (electric and diesel/electric hybrids).
Big pushes on improving reliability and saving costs by not over maintaining but there is a limit how far it can be pushed but OEM's are only interested in the short term cost.

Really not keen on this whole 'long life oil' shit in cars - yes some things can be pushed out but leaving the same oil in a car for 2 years, more so if low mileage local use, is a ticking timebomb and far more so if a diesel.
Internet is full of diesel cars with sumps half full of diesel from incomplete DPF regens - just Volvo for example, as we own one but a petrol variant - forever reports of cars reporting oil overfilled when in facts it's oil diluted by a litre of unburnt diesel. Dealers will drain and refill with fresh oil but at a cost, stating car not being used correctly! Some owners chose to ignore and are happy to run around with diluted oil - not ideal for the long term.

Our last couple of cars have been petrol due to the ever increasing issues with DPF, EGR etc. and with the decent fuel economy from bigger petrol cars these days, I can't see why you'd even buy a diesel unless you are cover 20k+ miles per year. Our 250bhp petrol 1800kg SUV will do near 42 mpg on a run and 20's around town - happy to live with that and a yearly service interval.

I think my car only does 4,000 kms a year, and then it's mainly used for journeys over 40kms, with some far shorter journeys.

Would not dream of leaving the oil in it for 20,000 kms (5 years with my usage), so it gets serviced annually, especially since I now found a bloody good mechanic.