The Local Elections

[Ant]

These ring door bells catch all sorts of things, but during the local elections who thought it would be catching such foul play

Labour cllr accused of 'election interference' after removing leaflets from letterboxes

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... c5lubbhMKk

[Ant]

The Tories are twats - the incompetence, incoherent policy making, shameful leadership(s) in any other situation of business would have them out on their ears, fined, probably imprisoned. The Tory war-machine, funded by big business (a conspiracy most of the conspiracists ignore, preferring to bang on about Biden) will grind into gear and slate Labour into oblivion.

So yes Starmer probably needs to be farther ahead right now to win.

In the above you could replace occurrences of "Tory" with "Labour", "business" with "union", and it would be equally valid.

Speaking of which, this was interesting to watch.

[Mussels]

These ring door bells catch all sorts of things, but during the local elections who thought it would be catching such foul play

Labour cllr accused of 'election interference' after removing leaflets from letterboxes

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... c5lubbhMKk

It seems rather childish and insignificant but I wouldn't be surprised if this carries a harsh penalty.

[Ant]

These ring door bells catch all sorts of things, but during the local elections who thought it would be catching such foul play

Labour cllr accused of 'election interference' after removing leaflets from letterboxes

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... c5lubbhMKk

It seems rather childish and insignificant but I wouldn't be surprised if this carries a harsh penalty.

Yes, however insignificant it may appear at first, it may be an offence under The Postal Services Act 2000.

[Count Steer]

These ring door bells catch all sorts of things, but during the local elections who thought it would be catching such foul play



https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... c5lubbhMKk

It seems rather childish and insignificant but I wouldn't be surprised if this carries a harsh penalty.

Yes, however insignificant it may appear at first, it may be an offence under The Postal Services Act 2000.

It's an interesting one if a) it doesn't involve actually opening an item b) the item wasn't addressed and c) it wasn't delivered by a registered 'postal service'.

I suspect the PSA 2000 may not apply.

[Greenman]

For the eleventy second year running...

22% turnout!

Is there some sort of cut off point as to where the election is made null and void if only a certain percentage of the electorate bother voting?

[Ant]

It seems rather childish and insignificant but I wouldn't be surprised if this carries a harsh penalty.

Yes, however insignificant it may appear at first, it may be an offence under The Postal Services Act 2000.

It's an interesting one if a) it doesn't involve actually opening an item b) the item wasn't addressed and c) it wasn't delivered by a registered 'postal service'.

I suspect the PSA 2000 may not apply.

The mail doesn't have to be opened for an offence to have been committed, however B and C may not come under the PSA, but other offences may apply somehow?

[cheb]

Theft maybe? The leaflet has been given to the home owner by the person A and has been taken without permission by person B?

[Count Steer]

Yes, however insignificant it may appear at first, it may be an offence under The Postal Services Act 2000.

It's an interesting one if a) it doesn't involve actually opening an item b) the item wasn't addressed and c) it wasn't delivered by a registered 'postal service'.

I suspect the PSA 2000 may not apply.

The mail doesn't have to be opened for an offence to have been committed, however B and C may not come under the PSA, but other offences may apply somehow?

True - it doesn't have to be opened, just 'feloniously, stolen, embezzled or secreted' according to the POA 1953:

If any person receives any mail bag, or any postal packet or any chattel or money or valuable security, the stealing, taking, embezzling or secreting of which amounts to a felony under this Act, knowing it to have been so feloniously stolen, taken, embezzled or secreted, and to have been sent, or to have been intended ...

I guess that stands or falls on whether the item falls under the POA. I suspect it will be more likely to be regarded as interfering with an election process as opposed to eg pinching pizza delivery flyers. As I say, it's an interesting one but I suspect nothing much will happen though. Probably happens every election when overzealous leaflet stuffers get chance. Same with taking down posters.

If I see an old friend I'll ask him what he thinks as he was some stratospheric level of security bod in Royal Mail.

[Horse]

I guess that stands or falls on whether the item falls under the POA. I suspect it will be more likely to be regarded as interfering with an election process as opposed to eg pinching pizza delivery flyers

A very big aside

In the 1993 by-election here, there was (at the time) a record of 19 candidates.*

As you can image, plenty of leaflets etc. Including one from a water softener supplier: "Do scum and scale come knocking at your door?"

* Including for the Corrective Party, Lindi ('Miss whiplash') St Clair

[Taipan]

For the first time ever I didn't vote in the local elections. Pretty stunned that Labour didn't mop up everywhere, but maybe people do separate local elections from general elections? Speaking of which, if a general election does get called, I really don't want to vote tory again and probably wont, but I've never seen such weak opposition and the back peddling from Starmer over just about every issue is incredible. I agree with Johnson when he said he has more flip flops than Bournemouth beach!

Labour should be able to win a general election with a massive majority, but they won't with Starmer and Rayner at the helm. Come to think of it, I don't think I've heard any of the shadow cabinet say anything of any substance, just quote the tories failings but offer no solutions themselves. Incredibly weak opposition and it wouldn't actually surprise me to see the tories win again!

[Mussels]

Yes, I'd struggle to find a party I'd want to vote for.
Some of Labour's latest claims are easily shown to be false or very misleading, that smacks of desparation because they have nothing better (or different?) to offer.
Lib Dems are still a joke and trying to grab some of the Labour vote by going further left and some of the Tory vote by keeping their heads down.
The Green Party has been hijacked by social activists who only care about the environment when it suits their agenda of sticking it to the normies.
That leaves the Tories who won't do much except put up taxes some more.

[gremlin]

Yes, I'd struggle to find a party I'd want to vote for.
Some of Labour's latest claims are easily shown to be false or very misleading, that smacks of desparation because they have nothing better (or different?) to offer.
Lib Dems are still a joke and trying to grab some of the Labour vote by going further left and some of the Tory vote by keeping their heads down.
The Green Party has been hijacked by social activists who only care about the environment when it suits their agenda of sticking it to the normies.
That leaves the Tories who won't do much except put up taxes some more.

You'd think that the Lib Dems would be hoovering up votes, but in the last decade or so I feel that politics has become more polarised and binary. Rather than acknowledging the viewpoints of others, it's a case of, 'If you're not with me, you're against me'.
However, the Lib Dems are just.....pfffft.

[v8-powered]

Probably a controversial opinion and likely to shot me down in flames, but I think if Rishi can keep his head down and put in some graft that they can defeat labour.
I think Starmer is the most credible leader that Labour had had in years but still think ha s along way to go to run the country, he can't be comfortable if he's mumbling about a coalition already?

[Mr Moofo]

Probably a controversial opinion and likely to shot me down in flames, but I think if Rishi can keep his head down and put in some graft that they can defeat labour.
I think Starmer is the most credible leader that Labour had had in years but still think ha s along way to go to run the country, he can't be comfortable if he's mumbling about a coalition already?

He is not exactly putting out a strong vision, is he!

Also tied up with the issues with Rayner and her bit of extreme left totty, his mumbling about "most women not having penises" , there is till a fair bit of time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Now, can anyone tell me what he stands for and what his vision for Britain is?

[Count Steer]

Probably a controversial opinion and likely to shot me down in flames, but I think if Rishi can keep his head down and put in some graft that they can defeat labour.
I think Starmer is the most credible leader that Labour had had in years but still think ha s along way to go to run the country, he can't be comfortable if he's mumbling about a coalition already?

He is not exactly putting out a strong vision, is he!

He is a bit limp but rather that than just wild promises of a land of milk and honey I suppose? His best approach is probably just to say 'I'm not the other lot or Corbyn'.

There's also the old maxim of 'don't interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake'.

The options are all a bit uninspiring though. Hard to make a confidence filling cabinet out of the whole parliament tbh.

[Yambo]

Remind me what BLM stood/stands for please.



Wasn't it law and order or something similar?

[demographic]

Bit of a synopsis from that famously left leaning establishment The Times (radio) covering the impact amongst other things of people tactical voting to get rid of the conservatives.
Think there was even some about normally conservative voters going to Lib Dems but I saw it the other day and can't remember for sure.

[Ant]

Lib Dem candidate wins two seats, each 150 miles apart is suspended.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-g ... e-65560466

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's not something I'd thought about before. I suppose its not technically banned.

Can you be an MP for two places at once?