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Re: COTA MotoGP

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westers151 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:03 am I know I'm coming across harshly about all this, especially as they're only human, and we do make mistakes, but these guys are paid (very well) to find a way to dance that wafer thin line between crashing and not crashing, so when they make mistakes regularly, my patience grows thin with them.
I agree with all that, but there is also the complimentary view that these guys are supremely motivated and absolutely the elite and as such set themselves very high standards. There's no way these guys view a DNF as anything other than a disaster, but they all tread an incredibly fine line between winning and binning. I'd hazard a guess that, like last year, the Ducati will be refined as the year proceeds and we will see Pecco's consistency improve. It's the old 'is it the bike or is it the rider?' conundrum. Is Pecco over-riding the bike or is there something about the bike that isn't giving him the feedback he needs? I simply don't know.

As for last year, I'm fairly certain that the crucial event that allowed Pecco back into the championship race was Fabio's banzai move on Asparagus the Elder at the Assen chicane. If Fabio hadn't made that move I'm fairly sure that he and A the E would have been on the first two steps of the podium (not sure which way round) and Pecco would have been looking at losing more points to Fabio rather than cutting the deficit by 25. That was the crucial point of the WC for me.

And I'm sure that MM93 is feeling more than a little conflicted after Austin. Rins winning on a non-factory spec Honda, first Honda win since 2021 and the only thing MM was firing up was the BBQ. But on the other hand, all his rivals are tripping over themselves with no clear main contender and the points difference to the front is not that big. He must really be rueing the rush of blood to the head that caused his Portimao accident.
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The last 3 years has shown that there's no aliens or someone head and shoulders better than the rest. It's a long time since it's been like that.
Wasn't it 2 years ago when there 9 winners?

Pecco maybe the bookies fave, but it's still wide open IMHO.

All this is excepting a certain MM ;)
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Yorick wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:31 pm All this is excepting a certain MM ;)
He's hardly had brilliant results in the last 3 years, or any results.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:44 pm
Yorick wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:31 pm All this is excepting a certain MM ;)
He's hardly had brilliant results in the last 3 years, or any results.
I think you missed that he had a big crash and several operations.
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Yorick wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:31 pm The last 3 years has shown that there's no aliens or someone head and shoulders better than the rest. It's a long time since it's been like that.
Wasn't it 2 years ago when there 9 winners?

Pecco maybe the bookies fave, but it's still wide open IMHO.

All this is excepting a certain MM ;)
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:44 pm
Yorick wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:31 pm All this is excepting a certain MM ;)
He's hardly had brilliant results in the last 3 years, or any results.
Time will tell whether MM is able to get back to his alien self, but I fear that the Honda is so far behind the pack that not even he can make up the difference to dominate, consistently. Rins result at COTA doesn't tell us anything, in the same way that MM win at Sachsenring in 2021 didn't herald the return of MM as being back to his best.

I do wonder whether we'll get a group of aliens in the future, or if we do, will they stand out to the same extent as Pedro, Rossi, and Lorenzo did? Technology, aero etc have made the times a lot closer, and arguably the depth of talent in the field is greater than in the era of the aliens. All of that makes it harder for a couple of guys to really stand out, unless they start utterly dominating like MM has done in recent years. But yes, no aliens in the current group of riders.
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westers151 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:29 pm no aliens in the current group of riders.
Alternatively, they're all so good now that the "aliens" term is no longer applicable.
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Pirahna wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm
westers151 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:29 pm no aliens in the current group of riders.
Alternatively, they're all so good now that the "aliens" term is no longer applicable.
Yeah, maybe. But in all sports there's usually one or two teams/individuals who raise the bar a bit and make the others try a bit harder to attain that level.

Or I could be talking bollox :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Pirahna wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm
westers151 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:29 pm no aliens in the current group of riders.
Alternatively, they're all so good now that the "aliens" term is no longer applicable.
Nah, they're not robots. Someone will always come along and be better than the rest - think, Messi, Ronaldo, Federer, etc.

At the moment it's not clear if there is anyone in the current riders who can take that next step and do things that others can't*

*MM included as it's not clear just how much his injury has impacted him.
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Yorick wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:29 pm
Yeah, maybe. But in all sports there's usually one or two teams/individuals who raise the bar a bit and make the others try a bit harder to attain that level.

Or I could be talking bollox :obscene-birdiedoublered:
Way back in the mists of time I knew how to ride a bicycle at a decent level. No matter how much training did I knew that there were people who were better, they were on a different level. They looked the same, ate the same food, did the same training, even used the same leg razors, but come race day I couldn't stay with them. It's the same with any sport, some people are naturally talented, if they weren't MotoGP riders they'd be at the top of their game in another sport.