Should America grow up and seriously restrict gun use/ownership?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Real dictatorhips would have jailed (or offed) him long ago.

I must admit, I do quite like the concept of Dictator-hips.

Carry on.

Has Melanoma Trump got dictator hips?

[Potter]

Quick - ban forks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-65179140.amp

[Felix]

I can see it coming. Mass forking in schools and places of worship

[Potter]

I can see it coming. Mass forking in schools and places of worship

And if you ban forks they’ll spoon people to death.
Where will it end

Historically it’s not like there is any evidence of humans killing a lot of each other before guns were invented.
Oh.

[Bwana]

In fairness though, how is anyone supposed to refute the things you day about the Biden Mafia etc?

Take the tax thing...it's pretty irrefutable that the IRS is significantly increasing it's capability under Biden. There are no facts available - how could there be? - that this is because "The Dems" want to intimidate political opponents. That would require proof of motivation which is of course essentially impossible to get.

I just don't see this big background picture you feel is so obvious. Totally agree that everyone involved on all sides stinks. When has that not been the case in politics? If anything (IMO) it is actually more open and transparent now than its ever been, which is why it looks so shitty. Twas ever thus, we can just see it now.

How do you refute the "Biden mafia"? Easy, tell me I am wrong about the millions of dollars his family receive directly from the CCP. Diamonds too by all accounts, plus the famous "spitball" "art" Hunter was being paid hundreds of thousands for from <undisclosed for national security reasons>. What about the Biden involvement in Ukraine, is that not true either?

Was his drug addled son not being paid tens of thousands per month at Burisma? If you accept that, for what exactly was he being paid? Anyway, it is being pursued now, the HB laptop has led to the discovery of multiple payments being distributed to the Biden family. Actual factual records of bank transactions. But hey, now you'll tell me you knew that all along and that's just business-as-usual.

I honestly don't know why the Democratic party seem to think it's a good idea for stricter policing of their own citizens. The recent Matt Taibbi affair should throw up a warning flag at the very least. Given that the sitting government unquestionably have been manipulating and censoring social media (see "the Twitter files"), they appear to be determined to enforce their party politics by whatever means necessary. Did they have embedded FBI agents in the crowd during Jan 6th, encouraging people to "storm" the building. Who knows? Very probably and I say that having watched a fair few senate hearings where representatives decline to answer that direct question, on grounds of national security. Yeah right.

So my "assumption" if you like is that they are weaponising yet another state system to exert tighter control of the narrative. Speak out and we will come after you sort of thing. There is evidence for that type of "policing" by intimidation, circumstantial yes but there is a shit ton of it!

Hunter Biden's laptop...
The original laptop was damaged by a liquid, the reason HB turned it over to Mac Isaac for repairs. Isaac says he turned it over to the FBI after attempts to contact HB were met with silence and he considered it abandoned. He claims to have made copies of the hard drive before turning it over to the FBI. The FBI has the original laptop. It appears that all the information in the public sphere originates from those copies. The Washington Post asked for copies after the New York Post began publishing contents from their copy in October of 2020. They eventually received a portable hard drive alleged to contain the data in June of 2021. That was handed over to experts who determined that people other than HB had accessed the drive and had written files to it, before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after it had been turned over to the FBI. According to the experts the drive is a mess and their ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive's contents was undermined.

Googling Biden Mafia brought up an interestng article in The New Yorker. Apparently alcoholism runs deep in the Biden family.

[Cousin Jack]

^^^

Another attempt to bring facts to a conspiracy party.

[Screwdriver]

No it is another attempt to discredit the authenticity of the laptop and it's contents. Notice how this "debunking" carefully avoids any mention of the actual content. I contained links to bank records and payments which expose verifiable transactions, pictures of HB smoking a crack pipe or shagging a hooker, email trails which can also be traced etc.

It is absolutely true that a copy is not admissible as evidence. The moment anyone looks at a hard drive outside of a data forensic environment, the data is compromised. So what did the FBI do with the only unquestionable source? Nothing. And yet the information contained on that laptop leads to discoveries which expose highly questionable actions on the part of the Bidens.

[Mussels]

Does the FBI have any right to examine the hard drive?
If they go poking around now would any court throw it out as evidence as they didn't have a warrant?

[Mr. Dazzle]

On the "shagging a hooker" thing...clearly he should have just owned up to that regardless of any actual facts/evidence . After all the actual President paid hush money to multiple pornagraphic actresses for...reasons...so it can't be all that bad in the eyes of Yanks

[Screwdriver]

On the "shagging a hooker" thing...clearly he should have just owned up to that regardless of any actual facts/evidence . After all the actual President paid hush money to multiple pornagraphic actresses for...reasons...so it can't be all that bad in the eyes of Yanks

Well he videoed himself doing it so I guess he's not that bothered. He is untouchable after all.

It's not illegal of course, either doing it, filming it or paying them off to keep it private. All I am responding to is the notion that the laptop is "compromised" because it has not been examined under a specific set of forensic conditions. While that is of course true, it is also true that the laptop contains vast amounts of HB generated content which is undeniably of his making. Plus as I have said many times, the laptop has provided clues which were followed up and found to link to actual real world events - like bank records of vast amounts of money from the CCP.

[Screwdriver]

Does the FBI have any right to examine the hard drive?
If they go poking around now would any court throw it out as evidence as they didn't have a warrant?

It sickens me to accept you're probably right. The FBI, the courts, the mainstream media will do NOTHING.

Nothing except the sort of Snopes style debunking where you can call something untrue by clever manipulation of semantics.

That and of course the heavy handed censorship of anything too close to the truth.

[Bwana]

No it is another attempt to discredit the authenticity of the laptop and it's contents. Notice how this "debunking" carefully avoids any mention of the actual content. I contained links to bank records and payments which expose verifiable transactions, pictures of HB smoking a crack pipe or shagging a hooker, email trails which can also be traced etc.

It is absolutely true that a copy is not admissible as evidence. The moment anyone looks at a hard drive outside of a data forensic environment, the data is compromised. So what did the FBI do with the only unquestionable source? Nothing. And yet the information contained on that laptop leads to discoveries which expose highly questionable actions on the part of the Bidens.

LOL! You do contradict yourself quite neatly. The laptop "evidence" you cite is admittedly compromised, yet the actual laptop the FBI has contains evidence you haven't gazed upon and is the source of more CT. The FBI isn't going to let a pack of internet sleuths see a damn thing. Newsflash for you, they're not a bunch of deep state Democrats looking to crucify Trump and protect Biden. As an entity, it is staffed by significantly more Republicans than Democrats. A bit like the police force over here is staffed primarily by Republicans. Your characterization that the FBI did nothing with the evidence is laughable. You have no idea what they did with the evidence. That particular laptop also has a compromised history as it was in the possession of someone besides Biden for around two years. Chain of custody matters for evidence.
The content that we've seen is from copies and is, as you say, compromised. So leaning on it as evidence of anything is a fool's errand. Yes, some of the info on the "laptop" was verified. Much of it wasn't incriminating. Any reference to the contents of original laptop in the possession of the FBI is just speculation.

I did not address one of your claims that I think was in the post I quoted. You claim the J6 activities in the Capitol building were peaceful. That's hilarious! You think all those people that were bashing their way in and pepper spraying LEOs outside suddenly calmed down and got all lovey dovey and simply toured the building peacefully? Unfortunately for all those images showing them just milling around peacefully, there's also footage of them calling out for Nancy. There's also a matter of at least one of them taking a shit in a non-loo location. Reports indicate that a minimum of $30 million USD in damages occurred. "In the Capitol building complex, historical statues, murals and furniture were damaged, mainly from pepper spray accretions and residue from chemical irritants and fire extinguishers, requiring expert cleaning and conservation. Work crews covered gaping holes with plywood and cleared a small mountain of debris left behind on the west and east fronts." link
That you think the angry mob that was filmed outside the building turned into a peaceful presence after they bashed their way into a building where they weren't supposed to be defies all logic. There is plenty of footage of them NOT being peaceful inside the building.

[Bwana]

^^^

Another attempt to bring facts to a conspiracy party.

My sincerest apologies!

[Mr. Dazzle]

.Your characterization that the FBI did nothing with the evidence is laughable. You have no idea what they did with the evidence.

Well there is that too...the FBI aren't beholden to let the public know the progress or content of their investigations. In fact I'd imagine precisely the opposite is true? Not even just for any secrecy or security reasons, just basic personal privacy.

[ZRX61]

There's the awkward fact than HB is suing the computer bloke for releasing his data... If it's not his laptop, how did his data end up on it?

As for banging hookers, you don't need the laptop to show that. The dumb motherfucker uploaded the videos to his own PornHub channel..

[ZRX61]

That you think the angry mob that was filmed outside the building turned into a peaceful presence after they bashed their way into a building where they weren't supposed to be defies all logic. There is plenty of footage of them NOT being peaceful inside the building.

There's no footage of the horn bloke doing any damage & within days of Carlson showing him being escorted by cops around the building he was suddenly released from prison..

[Mr. Dazzle]

As for banging hookers, you don't need the laptop to show that. The dumb motherfucker uploaded the videos to his own PornHub channel..

Is that more or less dangerous than paying some one to not blab about it, then the story getting out anyway.

At least PornHub is free

[Screwdriver]

No it is another attempt to discredit the authenticity of the laptop and it's contents. Notice how this "debunking" carefully avoids any mention of the actual content. I contained links to bank records and payments which expose verifiable transactions, pictures of HB smoking a crack pipe or shagging a hooker, email trails which can also be traced etc.

It is absolutely true that a copy is not admissible as evidence. The moment anyone looks at a hard drive outside of a data forensic environment, the data is compromised. So what did the FBI do with the only unquestionable source? Nothing. And yet the information contained on that laptop leads to discoveries which expose highly questionable actions on the part of the Bidens.

...So leaning on it as evidence of anything is a fool's errand. Yes, some of the info on the "laptop" was verified

....You claim the J6 activities in the Capitol building were peaceful.

...There is plenty of footage of them NOT being peaceful inside the building.

I am not suggesting the laptop is evidence of anything, I am merely reacting to the idiotic attempts to call it RD (I am using your newly invented euphemism cf. "conspiracy theory" to refer to "Russian disinformation"). Then further attempts to deny it is even Hunters laptop, then claims that it was "stolen" and therefore "hacked" and therefore no one can speak of it in the entire world of social media/big tech. Then finally, now that all of the smoke and mirrors have failed, it is denounced as "compromised".

I don't care about any of that. We are used to that concerted level of disinformation. I have personally been battling with the subject for years now and it is the lies/disinformation I object to more strongly than whether or not the laptop has incriminating evidence on it.

As it happens though, it does. It is immaterial that the evidence (which you say cannot be "true" due to its chain of custody) cannot be used as evidence because that "untrustworthy" evidence has led to discoveries. Including a very real chain of bank records showing how the CCP secretly paid millions to the Biden mafia.

I do not claim the J6 activities were "peaceful", I merely object again to the lies/disinformation and blatant propaganda being spewed out by the mainstream media and swallowed whole by people like you. Calling it an "insurrection" and "the worst violence since the civil war" while at the same time hiding ALL of the CCTV footage of the even and only showing brief excerpts of events outside which I have painstakingly detailed in an earlier post. That footage uses clever editing, shaky video and jump cuts to make it look worse than it is. There's even a heavily colour corrected shot through some "smoke" (tear gas) which purports to show the building on fire! Hilarious.

Oh. Another claim that there is some further footage of "NOT being peaceful" activities inside the building. "Plenty of it too". Excellent.

Show me.

[Screwdriver]

Is that more or less dangerous than paying some one to not blab about it, then the story getting out anyway.

At least PornHub is free

You jest but consider this: Trump has been impeached what, three times now or is this number four? I lost count. He has been hounded since day #1 with lawsuits, vilified incessantly by the entire msm, censored and finally arrested on extremely spurious grounds by someone who probably doesn't have the authority to do so.

At the same time Hunter Biden has left a trail of evidence behind him. Massive payments by corrupt companies in Ukraine (FFS!), even more massive payments from the CCP, once threw a handgun into a dumpster (as a drug addict, he is not allowed to even have a gun), complains about having to pay a cut to "the big guy" (I wonder who that is?) and yet through all of that, what have the authorities done regarding this trail of wrongdoing?

Nothing.

[Ant]

If Trump did pay off Stormy to keep it quiet and in doing so that's a crime - isn't it a crime her accepting the hush money?