Should the UK grow up and seriously restrict alcohol use/ownership

[Bigjawa]

Should ban this shite......

https://www.theguardian.com/society/sho ... t-scotland

There was another link but it was from the S*n so I won't post it here.

Written by a good SNP supporter who doesn't think the government are to blame for Scotland's substance abuse problems and would rather blame a particular brand of booze.
What's next, ban Pfizer to cure the very high drug death rate?

Doesn't only apply to Scotland though, I'm not Scottish and I've seen first hand what that stuff can do. They even have a name for it here, they call it "Lurgan Champagne" It's no coincidence that Lurgan is an absolute shithole plagued by antisocial behaviour.

People get pissed, but when they drink that stuff, they turn nasty. I've seen it happen too many times for it to be mere conjecture.

[Docca]

So the poll is going well

Alcohol isn’t designed to kill people. That people die from alcohol related stuff is a societal consequence that we seem to tolerate. I’m not saying it’s right and I’d like to see tighter rules around it, but there we go.

Guns are only designed to kill things. That’s it. Yes, you can be a dick with your whataboutisms on clay pigeon this and spray gun that- but guns are design to kill things.

what would be interesting (in a macabre way) is to see if there is any data on the number of mass murderers who were pissed at the time they shot places up.

In related news, I’m pleased to see that football is now going to ban gambling companies from advertising on the front of football tops.

[weeksy]

So the poll is going well

The fact it's only had 10 people voting says a lot.

[Cousin Jack]

In related news, I’m pleased to see that football is now going to ban gambling companies from advertising on the front of football tops.

While you are busy banning stuff why not ban gambling, or football, or both?

[DefTrap]

Guns are only designed to kill things. That’s it. Yes, you can be a dick with your whataboutisms on clay pigeon this and spray gun that- but guns are design to kill things. .

I dunno, I reckon most guns have never killed anything and most people couldn't hit a barn door with them even if they wanted to. I'm not an advocate of shooting as such (tried some clay pigeon stuff, it was so exciting I've not bothered to repeat it in the next 20 years). But I get why it'd be fun to take pot shots at stuff.

So yeah I can see that dickheads-N-guns and dickheads-N-booze are both potentially fatal combinations.

[Buckaroo]

In all seriousness, alcohol, tobacco, coffee, tea and a myriad of other things we use on a daily basis would struggle to pass clinical trials and get licensed. I'm my experience of pharma/biotech there are hundreds of compounds that fail with similar profiles in terms of addiction and other effects to bodily function. Fact is these are as normal as bread and water in the vast majority of cultures. You can never say that any will be categorically removed from use, but maybe we will reach an enlightened phase one day. I wonder if AI will have addictions.

Cross topic comment

[DefTrap]

In all seriousness, alcohol, tobacco, coffee, tea and a myriad of other things we use on a daily basis would struggle to pass clinical trials and get licensed. I'm my experience of pharma/biotech there are hundreds of compounds that fail with similar profiles in terms of addiction and other effects to bodily function. Fact is these are as normal as bread and water in the vast majority of cultures. You can never say that any will be categorically removed from use, but maybe we will reach an enlightened phase one day. I wonder if AI will have addictions.

You can argue a case for booze being a medicine. It would show a list of side effects on the bottle as long as your arm and similarly a load of conmeds to avoid - but there's a reasonable case to suggest that a glass of wine every day is 'a tonic'. Too much of anything is toxic if taken to excess.

Coffee and Tea, in moderation, ? Also maybe yes. Fags, probably not.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Fags prevent IBS and help weight loss IIRC

[DefTrap]

Fags prevent IBS and help weight loss IIRC

Good call.

And increase your sex appeal, natch'.

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's the old clihce but it's also true. The only difference between medicine and poison is dose.

[cheb]

Guns can be designed for many purposes but you can dick about with futile arguments that ignore inconvenient uses this to pursue your prejudices.

How many people does air pollution kill or injure every year? Ban cars etc. What about pets, their shits helping spread diseases?

We get it it, you dislike guns and want them banned.

[Bigjawa]

What about pets, their shits helping spread diseases?

We get it it, you dislike guns and want them banned.

They've already tried banning pets, Pit Bulls the most common example. Except they've made an Elvis style comeback as the American Bully.

Ironically in NI, up to a few years ago, you couldn't legally buy a pittie, but you could quite legally own a lion, tiger, crocodile etc. One guy in a high rise flat in Rathcoole had a bloody alligator that tried to eat him.

The ROI has a dangerous dogs act that's insane. Every dog I've owned since 1999 would be subject to it and have to be muzzled in public.

[Horse]

How many people does air pollution kill or injure every year? Ban cars etc.

Like the CAZ in London?

[Docca]

In related news, I’m pleased to see that football is now going to ban gambling companies from advertising on the front of football tops.

While you are busy banning stuff why not ban gambling, or football, or both?

So gambling isn’t designed to kill you, neither is football. Guns are designed to kill your.

The gambling: company’s will still be able to advertise on shoulders of shirts- this is a move in the direction of not shoving gambling down people’s throats/ more positively role modelling

[Docca]

Guns can be designed for many purposes but you can dick about with futile arguments that ignore inconvenient uses this to pursue your prejudices.

How many people does air pollution kill or injure every year? Ban cars etc. What about pets, their shits helping spread diseases?

We get it it, you dislike guns and want them banned.

You’re always with the whataboutisms!

I think in the spirit of restriction, there might be specific use cases where guns are needed for some. That’s needed, likely for safety. That’s not the same as Nigel, the accountant from number 32 needing a gun ‘just in case’ the King of England invades his garden.

If that’s futile, I’d love to hear the contrary supportive argument for not restricting gun use.

[Cousin Jack]

How many of you own airguns or crossbows?

Shall we ban them in the UK, after all they have no legitimate use.

[Greenman]

How many of you own airguns or crossbows?

Shall we ban them in the UK, after all they have no legitimate use.

What about black widow catapults? - i had mine taken off of me in school so....!

[Mr. Dazzle]

What about black widow catapults? - i had mine taken off of me in school so....!

You're supposed to be working on their IT anyway.

[cheb]

Guns can be designed for many purposes but you can dick about with futile arguments that ignore inconvenient uses this to pursue your prejudices.

How many people does air pollution kill or injure every year? Ban cars etc. What about pets, their shits helping spread diseases?

We get it it, you dislike guns and want them banned.

You’re always with the whataboutisms!

I think in the spirit of restriction, there might be specific use cases where guns are needed for some. That’s needed, likely for safety. That’s not the same as Nigel, the accountant from number 32 needing a gun ‘just in case’ the King of England invades his garden.

If that’s futile, I’d love to hear the contrary supportive argument for not restricting gun use.

Because I don't believe in banning things I don't like but others do.

What do you enjoy doing but would allow being banned?

[Greenman]

What about black widow catapults? - i had mine taken off of me in school so....!

You're supposed to be working on their IT anyway.

True.

I need it to fire at the computers when they go wrong though!