Portuguese MotoGP

[westers151]

Broken a bone in his hand and possibly not fit for next weekend. Martin suffered a broken toe, too.

Thanks for that - earlier it was reported that he hadn't broken anything; I guess the swelling has gone down enough for an X-ray to show the damage.

[Yorick]

I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.

It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.

Most hated. Hmm. I wasn't really a fan but been won over by his desire to overcome all his recent injuries.
And our lass was a massive Rossi fan and she almost hated MM.
But even she was a bit upset by him crashing out.

[mangocrazy]

I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.

It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.

OK, who do we blame for the incident then?

[westers151]

I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.

It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.

Most hated. Hmm. I wasn't really a fan but been won over by his desire to overcome all his recent injuries.
And our lass was a massive Rossi fan and she almost hated MM.
But even she was a bit upset by him crashing out.

If you ever read the Crash.net comments section (before they pulled the plug), Jimmy Saville was a saint compared to MM.

Yeah, he's had his share of fuckwit moments over his career, but I've always admired his total focus on winning, and taking no prisoners. I think it was a Moto 2 race where he messed up the start and was pretty much dead last, but by the second lap (ish), he'd carved his way through the field to get to the front.

[ZRX61]

No idea WTF is happening here. They showed 18 minutes of blah blah blah (I took a shower), they cut to a fucking MX race, now we're 23 minutes into it & they still haven't started the race. Rapidly losing interest.

[westers151]

I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.

It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.

OK, who do we blame for the incident then?

We blame Marc; I'm not saying he's innocent, as he blatantly caused it, but get it into some perspective - he's not the only person to have messed up and wiped out riders in what would appear to be reckless incidents.

[mangocrazy]

I think we're all getting a bit caried away blaming Marc; plenty of people have done the same thing - from the top of my head: Gibernau playing skittles at the start of the 2006 Catalan GP; Zarco wiping out Morbidelli and causing near decapitation of Rossi and co at the Red Bull ring; Doohan taking out Schwantz and Barros in the 1993 Donnington GP; Alex Marquez doing a pretty similar thing as Marc in last years Australian Grand Prix; and the worst, Rossi blatantly wiping out MM by jamming his front brake on.

It happens, even the best riders in the world can have a brain fart and make a mistake, especially when trying to compensate for an under performing bike. Hell, even a good chunk of the current grid did their best to try and take each other out in the sprint race yesterday, but I guess this is MM, the most hated rider in MotoGP (it would appear), and so his head is demanded.

OK, who do we blame for the incident then?

We blame Marc; I'm not saying he's innocent, as he blatantly caused it, but get it into some perspective - he's not the only person to have messed up and wiped out riders in what would appear to be reckless incidents.

I never said he was the only rider to have ever pulled a daft move, as you've pointed out the very best are culpable. I was merely stating that on this occasion it was MM who pulled a brain-out move. I haven't called for his head, I've simply confined myself to what happened in this incident. Not really sure what all the fuss is about, to be honest.

[westers151]

Not really sure what all the fuss is about, to be honest.

Me neither

[G.P]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed that. Yeah, MM was really over riding the bike, shame, it would have been interesting to see how he and Olivera would have done at full race distance. I thought Fabio did really well to catch up with the 4th-8th battle.I reckon he'll be top 5 next week. Good to see the KTMS up there scrapping too.

Argentina should be interesting, nobody has tested there so there will be a wider range of set-up success / failure.

[wull]

I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.

The bit I read before must have been talking about the earlier contact where Marquez had a moment and couldn’t help contact but nobody went down.

That was hectic to say the least, great to watch.

[ChrisW]

I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything,

Completely agree - he just made a mistake.

[Supermofo]

First Japanese bike 9th, tells a story that. I'd still rate Marc and Fab as in the top 3 riders but their bikes are shite. Marc can't keep riding like that though he's so overriding it's silly.

I'd say it's a bit more than silly - borderline reckless I'd call it. Torpedoing 2 other riders is unforgiveable. The kind of miscalculation that Marini made, taking out Bastianini, is kind of understandable and could be termed a racing incident. No way was Marc's trangression a racing incident.

My point is if he keeps over riding the bike like he did all weekend this is what will happen, which is silly, in a understatement type way. He has been riding like that all weekend to try and make the bike fit and it went wrong. They've all done it. My point is he can't keep doing it. This is weekend 1!!

I don't think he made a move at all. Every corner he is trying to make something on guys who are super fast and on better bikes and he fucked it big time.

[irie]

Bottom line is that the racing would be better and safer without MM on the track.

[westers151]

First Japanese bike 9th, tells a story that. I'd still rate Marc and Fab as in the top 3 riders but their bikes are shite. Marc can't keep riding like that though he's so overriding it's silly.

I'd say it's a bit more than silly - borderline reckless I'd call it. Torpedoing 2 other riders is unforgiveable. The kind of miscalculation that Marini made, taking out Bastianini, is kind of understandable and could be termed a racing incident. No way was Marc's trangression a racing incident.

My point is if he keeps over riding the bike like he did all weekend this is what will happen, which is silly, in a understatement type way. He has been riding like that all weekend to try and make the bike fit and it went wrong. They've all done it. My point is he can't keep doing it. This is weekend 1!!

I don't think he made a move at all. Every corner he is trying to make something on guys who are super fast and on better bikes and he fucked it big time.

I agree about the over riding and hurting himself, but this is a guy who's desire is to win. He also knows that he's made the Honda do things that it shouldn't, and he still does. Taking it easy, riding to the bike limits, isn't in his DNA; Sure, it has/could/will hurt him, but winning is what drives him, no matter what he does.

[Bigyin]

I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.

Agreed, it was a mistake rather than a banzai move and the consequences were high. Doesnt help Espargaro Snr coming out with "he needs a minimum one race ban" along with "its the first weekend and we have 4 riders in the hospital already so it has to change"

Pol made a mistake and was unlucky to go so far to hit the barrier. Bastianini was unlucky to be on the outside of Marini when he lost it and slid into him.

I dont recall Doohan being so categized for his braking error taking out Schwantz and Barros at the British GP back in the day.

The main thing i took from the weekend was Ducati have an advantage over all the rest and that all the Ducati's that finished the race were in the top 5 , the ones that didnt were in the top ten when they crashed apart from Digi who is really struggling and the Japanese bikes are nowhere to be seen despite Fabios best efforts

[westers151]

Bottom line is that the racing would be better and safer without MM on the track.

[westers151]

I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.

Agreed, it was a mistake rather than a banzai move and the consequences were high. Doesnt help Espargaro Snr coming out with "he needs a minimum one race ban" along with "its the first weekend and we have 4 riders in the hospital already so it has to change"

Pol made a mistake and was unlucky to go so far to hit the barrier. Bastianini was unlucky to be on the outside of Marini when he lost it and slid into him.

I dont recall Doohan being so categized for his braking error taking out Schwantz and Barros at the British GP back in the day.

I gloss over when Aspagarus elder talks.

As for the rest, I agree - mistakes; these guys are human, they will make mistakes.

[Yorick]

I wouldn’t even class it as a move, it looks more like he’s missed his braking marker and had way too much speed to do anything, it doesn’t even look like he tried anything much at all other than at the last moment moving across, ricocheted off Martin and then blootered Oliveira. These things happen, social media is going tits over it.

Agreed, it was a mistake rather than a banzai move and the consequences were high. Doesnt help Espargaro Snr coming out with "he needs a minimum one race ban" along with "its the first weekend and we have 4 riders in the hospital already so it has to change"

Pol made a mistake and was unlucky to go so far to hit the barrier. Bastianini was unlucky to be on the outside of Marini when he lost it and slid into him.

I dont recall Doohan being so categized for his braking error taking out Schwantz and Barros at the British GP back in the day.

I gloss over when Aspagarus elder talks.

Ditto

[weeksy]

MM was at fault, but fantastic to see his old aggression returning. Obviously no lingering health problems.

If his 'old aggression returning' leads him to make mistakes like he did today, I'd say he'd be better off without it. Or rather the rest of the grid would be better off. I think he has to get it into his head that he's not the MM of 4 or 5 years ago and face up to a new reality. He's still as quick as anyone on the grid but he's no longer head and shoulders above the rest. Today was a case of his ambition out-stripping his ability.

Couldn't disagree more. He made a mistake and it went wrong... no more than that.

As for Unforgivable, meh, not having that either. I've seen hundreds of riders make hundreds of mistakes and whilst this wasn't ideal... That's all it way.

[weeksy]

Bottom line is that the racing would be better and safer without MM on the track.

Jeez, i thought you were bad in the current afairs topics... Now you're dragging the stupidity out into racing forums... lovely.