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[Horse]

The same cupboard that the government go to when they say they're going to have "X,000 extra [insert job or profession]"

It’s all easy, everyone is a CEO or Prime Minister when they don’t have to actually deliver the solution.

I left out the bit " ... and they're leaving the profession faster than replacements can be employed"

[Cousin Jack]

Maybe if the asylum seekers were processed faster the majority of them eligible could be allowed into work and start paying into the system instead of costing money and filling the many vacancies there is on the job market that the government keeps on about.
Jeez, how hard was that to work out.

Sounds great. I’m interested in your solution.

Where will you get all the extra judges and lawyers to process them all within record time when they turn up with nothing and no time to build up their story supporting their asylum claim?

That's ok, the justice system will give them a couple of years to prepare if they ask nicely.

[Screwdriver]

Two thoughts spring to mind.

UBS must now be FAR too big to fail. The Swiss government will be fucked if that goes tits up.

$100 + billion liquidity needed? FFS what were the gnomes of Zurich up to?

Two thoughts? What do we think of this:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gend ... 42896.html



I don't really care what people get up to in their private lives or what their sexual fetish might be.

But I'd struggle to keep a straight face if I bump into something like that...

[Cousin Jack]

I would struggle too.

Perhaps it is a good banker, perhaps not, but it is a bit of a dick.

NB I use the word it, They is plural, and it is only one or the other at any instant.

[cheb]

That 'something' is a human being. The only question for them about work is 'Are they good at their job?'

[Cousin Jack]

That 'something' is a human being. The only question for them about work is 'Are they good at their job?'

I did say it may be a good banker.

I have considerable sympathy for people who genuinely switch gender (I worked with one) but this smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it. And that has little or no relevance in work, apart from making others uncomfortable.

[irie]

That 'something' is a human being. The only question for them about work is 'Are they good at their job?'

I did say it may be a good banker.

I have considerable sympathy for people who genuinely switch gender (I worked with one) but this smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it. And that has little or no relevance in work, apart from making others uncomfortable.

Wife says that his eyebrows are a bit over the top.

[cheb]

That 'something' is a human being. The only question for them about work is 'Are they good at their job?'

I did say it may be a good banker.

I have considerable sympathy for people who genuinely switch gender (I worked with one) but this smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it. And that has little or no relevance in work, apart from making others uncomfortable.

Ditto for the former. Why would anyone be uncomfortable with it, IMO if just a person in some clothes. Maybe the discomforteds need to look at their own thought processes. What's the difference between mens' and womens' clothing anyway? Skirt/kilt/sarong, blouse/shirt, what real difference is there?

[Mr Moofo]

That 'something' is a human being. The only question for them about work is 'Are they good at their job?'

I did say it may be a good banker.

I have considerable sympathy for people who genuinely switch gender (I worked with one) but this smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it. And that has little or no relevance in work, apart from making others uncomfortable.

And trying to make themselves centre of attention.
If you really want to change gender, all power to your elbow for your convictions - but this guy is lessening the cause by reducing to a "dressing up box" day

[Cousin Jack]

.........Why would anyone be uncomfortable with it, IMO if just a person in some clothes. Maybe the discomforteds need to look at their own thought processes. What's the difference between mens' and womens' clothing anyway? Skirt/kilt/sarong, blouse/shirt, what real difference is there?

Because (presumably) he/she changes his/her persona to some extent, so you are dealing with a different person. If the persona doesn't change then he/she are just taking the piss.

I don't know about you, but I do treat women slightly differently to men in many situations. Not in a sexist way, but a respectful way. Most seem to prefer it like that.

[Mr Moofo]

.........Why would anyone be uncomfortable with it, IMO if just a person in some clothes. Maybe the discomforteds need to look at their own thought processes. What's the difference between mens' and womens' clothing anyway? Skirt/kilt/sarong, blouse/shirt, what real difference is there?

Because (presumably) he/she changes his/her persona to some extent, so you are dealing with a different person. If the persona doesn't change then he/she are just taking the piss.

I don't know about you, but I do treat women slightly differently to men in many situations. Not in a sexist way, but a respectful way. Most seem to prefer it like that.

Because nothing that happens at that level of business is by accident, the way people dress, act , co-operate etc are all very carefully thought out (and in some case it is rehearsed).
My old French boss was always late for meetings - initially I thought it was just disorganisation - but it didn't take longe to realise that it was all about making him more important than everyone else.
The guy/ gal above is applying the same metrics and trying to put people on the back foot.

[cheb]

Not much difference then, to me anyway, as dress down Fridays. Something I only know about as a concept as I've been lucky enough to avoid office work for a long time.

Doesn't everyone change their persona depending on who they're interacting with?

[Cousin Jack]

Because nothing that happens at that level of business is by accident, the way people dress, act , co-operate etc are all very carefully thought out (and in some case it is rehearsed).
My old French boss was always late for meetings - initially I thought it was just disorganisation - but it didn't take longe to realise that it was all about making him more important than everyone else.
The guy/ gal above is applying the same metrics and trying to put people on the back foot.

I think that Machiavellian stuff is a bit out of date.
We had a business coach that tried to make me dress up like an 80s Dallas star and said that people wouldn’t take me seriously otherwise. I ignored them.

I have no issue with the person who chooses to dress in different ways. I think anyone that does is hampered by their conditioning.

I think you are being naïve. You may have managed to get away with dressing how you wished, many other people have found that someone in their orbit, perhaps not their boss, decided they were dressing like a tosser and deserved to be treated like one. Often they will never know who shafted them, or why.

In busines dress I always tried to stand out from the crowd, but in a good way. Bright colours in shirt, tie or even socks, but if suited and booted was the code I was suited and booted.

[Cousin Jack]

I don't think it matters so much any more mate, my boss jokes that I dress like a farmer, it doesn't seem to be holding me back.
Most of the people I sit across the table from with six or seven zeroes in their bank account are usually in jeans and t-shirt.

It does matter to some people, but I think it's a lot less than it did.
And gender or whatever you want to call yourself matters less as well, I couldn't give a monkeys, if you have a preference in how I address you then let me know and after that I'm only interested in whether you can hold your own in the conversation.

You are right that it matters much less than it did, in my early days it mattered a great deal. Today, as you say, many people don't care, but some still do, and usually those that do are either senior or retired. If they are retired it really doesn't matter, but if they are senior and not quite retired yet............... Upsetting senior managers is not good for career prospects, and very few other managers will actually ask WHY that senior manager dislikes someone.

[DefTrap]

Times change, 'the correct uniform' for business ebbs and flows with time and industry.
My granddad was never without a suit and tie, and he worked in a shipyard as a fitter most of his life. They even wore their best stuff to the beach.
My dad (now late 80s) fairly similar for business attire as a salesman, even now he seems to find it hard to wear anything but a suit. 'Informal' is a blazer ffs.
Less said about me, because I'm a scruffy bastard. WFH is a godsend for IT cavemen.
However my two sons, 20s, working in offices in fairly trendy industries would have the piss ripped right out of them if they turned up in suits, ties and dress shoes, let alone trying to one-up the next guy by showing off.

You have to fit in - dressing 'up' out of sync with everyone else is almost as bad as dressing down out of sync with everyone else. Mainly you need to avoid being weird. But of course it is subjective - everybody thinks they're normal after all.

[Cousin Jack]

And yet some senior figures are still trying to get everyone back into the office, even if they have been succesfully working from home for 2 years.

Beware of dinosaurs, they may be old but they are often big and some have sharp teeth. They are dying out but not all are dead yet.

[Cousin Jack]

Ah, so you are a dinosaur too.

[Horse]

And yet some senior figures are still trying to get everyone back into the office, even if they have been succesfully working from home for 2 years.

*Three* years!

FWIW we WfH unless either there is a business requirement or someone actually wants to be in the office. To the extent that smaller premises are being considered.

[Cousin Jack]

Yes, working in an office can sometime be more fun, it can sometimes be more productive, but usually it is just an expensive PITA. Especially if your office is in the centre of the Great Wen, so it costs a fortune, and your travel to and fro eats a huge chunk of your time and money.

Even in pre-internet days I sometimes used to work from home effectively.

[Mr Moofo]

Because nothing that happens at that level of business is by accident, the way people dress, act , co-operate etc are all very carefully thought out (and in some case it is rehearsed).
My old French boss was always late for meetings - initially I thought it was just disorganisation - but it didn't take longe to realise that it was all about making him more important than everyone else.
The guy/ gal above is applying the same metrics and trying to put people on the back foot.

I think that Machiavellian stuff is a bit out of date.
We had a business coach that tried to make me dress up like an 80s Dallas star and said that people wouldn’t take me seriously otherwise. I ignored them.

I have no issue with the person who chooses to dress in different ways. I think anyone that does is hampered by their conditioning.

I don't think it has changed one iota for American/ Swiss lead companies - looks, presentation , body shape where all hugely important to how you were seen and how you "fitted" the company.
It wasn't as pronounced in Germany - where egos were worn much more brazenly and there was little Machiavellian posturing to it. It was more directly cocks out on the table.
the Japanese were a little different - however, if you weren't Japanese you didn't really matter.
But even in a world run by Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos , how you dress will matter.