As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:57 pmI go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:48 pmWithout cohabitation I think that French pension reform is possible but unlikely.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
Without 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want?
With cohabitation almost certainly not.
I do not want anything.
What do you want?
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I agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'. I'm sure he wouldn't choose it and would like the presidency and everything below him to be aligned, but it isn't. That's not his fault. So what's he going to do? Resign? Invite someone else to do the job? As far as I can see he's trying to do something that needs to be done within the political framework that exists. Why is this anything to do with anything 'coming home to roost'?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pmAs said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:57 pmI go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?
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Which questions would you like me to answer and in which order?Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'. I'm sure he wouldn't choose it and would like the presidency and everything below him to be aligned, but it isn't. That's not his fault. So what's he going to do? Resign? Invite someone else to do the job? As far as I can see he's trying to do something that needs to be done within the political framework that exists. Why is this anything to do with anything 'coming home to roost'?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pmAs said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:57 pm
I go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?
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Where you see a question mark (?) that indicates a question. Work back from all the question marks and answer the question contained in that sentence. Rinse and repeat until all questions are answered.irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:06 pmWhich questions would you like me to answer and in which order?Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'. I'm sure he wouldn't choose it and would like the presidency and everything below him to be aligned, but it isn't. That's not his fault. So what's he going to do? Resign? Invite someone else to do the job? As far as I can see he's trying to do something that needs to be done within the political framework that exists. Why is this anything to do with anything 'coming home to roost'?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pm
As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.
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Conjur, infer ... ?irie wrote: I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!
irie wrote: Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...
Obviously a misunderstanding, perhaps be clearer in future?Collins dictionary, and probably all the others wrote: chickens come home to roost
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If bad or wrong things that someone has done in the past have come home to roost, or if their chickens have come home to roost, they are now experiencing the unpleasant effects of these actions.
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The use of "Gallic" to describe the chicken coming home to roost was I thought an unsubtle play on words. Repeating what I have already said about Macron would be pointless.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'.irie wrote: As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.
A key point of the post is that judging by earlier similar events, such as in 1995, the impacts on the UK can be quite serious such as the effective closing of ports and airports, and even the channel tunnel, and Easter school holidays are less than 3 weeks away.
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Oh, I'm sure it's all going to kick off. Striking, rioting and setting fire to stuff seems to pass as polite discourse in France (here we probably 'chuntered gently' at the equalisation and raising of the pension age). I'm just a bit impressed when a politician sees something that really, really needs to be done (but will be unpopular), says they're going to do something about it...and does it!irie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:55 amThe use of "Gallic" to describe the chicken coming home to roost was I thought an unsubtle play on words. Repeating what I have already said about Macron would be pointless.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'.irie wrote: As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.
A key point of the post is that judging by earlier similar events, such as in 1995, the impacts on the UK can be quite serious such as the effective closing of ports and airports, and even the channel tunnel, and Easter school holidays are less than 3 weeks away.
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To be fair, I am impressed that Macron has actually done something. It isn't his usual way.Count Steer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:29 amOh, I'm sure it's all going to kick off. Striking, rioting and setting fire to stuff seems to pass as polite discourse in France (here we probably 'chuntered gently' at the equalisation and raising of the pension age). I'm just a bit impressed when a politician sees something that really, really needs to be done (but will be unpopular), says they're going to do something about it...and does it!irie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:55 amThe use of "Gallic" to describe the chicken coming home to roost was I thought an unsubtle play on words. Repeating what I have already said about Macron would be pointless.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pm
I agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'.
A key point of the post is that judging by earlier similar events, such as in 1995, the impacts on the UK can be quite serious such as the effective closing of ports and airports, and even the channel tunnel, and Easter school holidays are less than 3 weeks away.
The retirement age issue was nonsense - the French knew it was nonsense but it is built into their fabric of a relaxed work / life balance.
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irie wrote: I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!
Actually, we have been told what irie thinks.
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The most impressive thing in Euro politics is the way Giorgia Meloni seems to have confounded critics
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Sentenced to 8.5 years for false rape allegations. This is link is from before sentencing, thought it was worth posting as it shows the effect it had on the lives of those accused.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64943465
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64943465
Surprised she wasn't charged with a racially motivated crime, as her claims were against Asian 'traffickers' (although one turned out to be a white man that she had never met, only chatted to online). She even created fake social media accounts and sent herself messages claiming they were from her 'abusers'.Three men tried to take their own lives after being falsely accused of rape and trafficking, a court has heard.
Eleanor Williams accused the men of attacking her and posted on Facebook in May 2020 that she was the victim of an Asian grooming gang.
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What worries me most is why someone was charged, the police and CPS both decided he was guilty without any corroborating evidence.
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Some people are seriously fucked in the head!Hoonercat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:57 am Sentenced to 8.5 years for false rape allegations. This is link is from before sentencing, thought it was worth posting as it shows the effect it had on the lives of those accused.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64943465
Surprised she wasn't charged with a racially motivated crime, as her claims were against Asian 'traffickers' (although one turned out to be a white man that she had never met, only chatted to online). She even created fake social media accounts and sent herself messages claiming they were from her 'abusers'.Three men tried to take their own lives after being falsely accused of rape and trafficking, a court has heard.
Eleanor Williams accused the men of attacking her and posted on Facebook in May 2020 that she was the victim of an Asian grooming gang.
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And it turns out she wasn't - or anywhere else.....Greenman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:00 amSome people are seriously fucked in the head!Hoonercat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:57 am Sentenced to 8.5 years for false rape allegations. This is link is from before sentencing, thought it was worth posting as it shows the effect it had on the lives of those accused.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64943465
Surprised she wasn't charged with a racially motivated crime, as her claims were against Asian 'traffickers' (although one turned out to be a white man that she had never met, only chatted to online). She even created fake social media accounts and sent herself messages claiming they were from her 'abusers'.Three men tried to take their own lives after being falsely accused of rape and trafficking, a court has heard.
Eleanor Williams accused the men of attacking her and posted on Facebook in May 2020 that she was the victim of an Asian grooming gang.
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Sorry to be pedantic, but there is no age limit for retirement. Only an age when you can claim state pension.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:39 pmIt's worth noting that the French retirement age is currently 62. That's 4 years less than the uk. Even the proposed retirement age is 'only' 64. And the French on average live 2 years longer than us Brits, so it's clear to impartial observers that something needs to change in the French system. And just to twist the knife, the French state pension is roughly 50% higher than that in the UK.DefTrap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:22 pmirie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...
https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/
I don't think this is a surprise - the French system is overly generous compared to other similarly wealthy EU nations, and the money simply isn't there. Absolutely this is shit if you're knocking-on to retirement ....
While he's there he probably needs to address similarly generous unemployment benefits, amongst others, because that seems similarly unaffordable. But the pensions thing is potentially crippling and, a bit like the UK, this is probably only step one of further changes.
Most folk have other plans as well as the state funding.
I retired at 54.
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According to another BBC article
It does come across as just wanting to be seen to do something and caving in to public pressure. Her claims that she'd been abused since the age of 12, and that other girls in the town were being trafficked, led to protests from locals and Tommy Robinson made an appearance, while the local rag was insinuating that the police were not doing enough. No doubt he'll have his day in court with the police and we'll all hear how 'lessons have been learnt'.The force said it was unable to comment so as "to not taint any future potential proceedings".
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Hardly distasteful, crass certainly, but not more than that.
Probably no worse than saying 'I've had her' frequently about random females.