Without 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:25 pmI neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:05 pmSo, if he is trying to reform it, why do you appear to be so anti? It needs to be done, he is trying to do it. What do you want?
What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
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Without cohabitation I think that French pension reform is possible but unlikely.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pmWithout 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:25 pmI neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:05 pm
So, if he is trying to reform it, why do you appear to be so anti? It needs to be done, he is trying to do it. What do you want?
What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
With cohabitation almost certainly not.
I do not want anything.
What do you want?
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It's a result of not having an absolute majority. 'Cohabitation' was necessary to form a goverment.
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I go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:48 pmWithout cohabitation I think that French pension reform is possible but unlikely.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pmWithout 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want?
With cohabitation almost certainly not.
I do not want anything.
What do you want?
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Just as a reminder, you did post this...so, why?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...
https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/
Macron invokes nuclear option to force through his pensions reform in huge political setback
French President Emmanuel Macron will bypass parliament to get his flagship reform over the line, risking backlash from politicians and protesters that threatens to wreck his leadership, in what is seen as a defeat for the president.
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They made a bit of a start on the unemployment thing I think. I'm sure it used to be that you could work a 4 or 5 month season and then get 4 or 5 months unemployment at 75% of the wages you earned. I was always amazed at how many people did just work for 4 or 5 months at full pay and idled away the summers !!! It's one of the big reasons that employing people costs so much - employ someone for 10€ an hour* and pay the government in taxes 8,5€ an hour** for that person.DefTrap wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:22 pmirie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...
https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/
I don't think this is a surprise - the French system is overly generous compared to other similarly wealthy EU nations, and the money simply isn't there. Absolutely this is shit if you're knocking-on to retirement ....
While he's there he probably needs to address similarly generous unemployment benefits, amongst others, because that seems similarly unaffordable. But the pensions thing is potentially crippling and, a bit like the UK, this is probably only step one of further changes.
*just a figure to work with - SMIC is more than that!!
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As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:57 pmI go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:48 pmWithout cohabitation I think that French pension reform is possible but unlikely.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
Without 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want?
With cohabitation almost certainly not.
I do not want anything.
What do you want?
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I agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'. I'm sure he wouldn't choose it and would like the presidency and everything below him to be aligned, but it isn't. That's not his fault. So what's he going to do? Resign? Invite someone else to do the job? As far as I can see he's trying to do something that needs to be done within the political framework that exists. Why is this anything to do with anything 'coming home to roost'?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pmAs said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:57 pmI go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?
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Which questions would you like me to answer and in which order?Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'. I'm sure he wouldn't choose it and would like the presidency and everything below him to be aligned, but it isn't. That's not his fault. So what's he going to do? Resign? Invite someone else to do the job? As far as I can see he's trying to do something that needs to be done within the political framework that exists. Why is this anything to do with anything 'coming home to roost'?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pmAs said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:57 pm
I go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?
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Where you see a question mark (?) that indicates a question. Work back from all the question marks and answer the question contained in that sentence. Rinse and repeat until all questions are answered.irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:06 pmWhich questions would you like me to answer and in which order?Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'. I'm sure he wouldn't choose it and would like the presidency and everything below him to be aligned, but it isn't. That's not his fault. So what's he going to do? Resign? Invite someone else to do the job? As far as I can see he's trying to do something that needs to be done within the political framework that exists. Why is this anything to do with anything 'coming home to roost'?irie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:17 pm
As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.
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Conjur, infer ... ?irie wrote: I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!
irie wrote: Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...
Obviously a misunderstanding, perhaps be clearer in future?Collins dictionary, and probably all the others wrote: chickens come home to roost
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If bad or wrong things that someone has done in the past have come home to roost, or if their chickens have come home to roost, they are now experiencing the unpleasant effects of these actions.
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The use of "Gallic" to describe the chicken coming home to roost was I thought an unsubtle play on words. Repeating what I have already said about Macron would be pointless.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'.irie wrote: As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.
A key point of the post is that judging by earlier similar events, such as in 1995, the impacts on the UK can be quite serious such as the effective closing of ports and airports, and even the channel tunnel, and Easter school holidays are less than 3 weeks away.
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Oh, I'm sure it's all going to kick off. Striking, rioting and setting fire to stuff seems to pass as polite discourse in France (here we probably 'chuntered gently' at the equalisation and raising of the pension age). I'm just a bit impressed when a politician sees something that really, really needs to be done (but will be unpopular), says they're going to do something about it...and does it!irie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:55 amThe use of "Gallic" to describe the chicken coming home to roost was I thought an unsubtle play on words. Repeating what I have already said about Macron would be pointless.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pmI agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'.irie wrote: As said before, what Macron is trying to do, as Deftrap says, needs to be done but I don't think it can be done by Macron while he is in cohabitation. It doesn't "bother me", why does this not bothering me bother you? Tell me what would you like me to say and I'll try to oblige.
A key point of the post is that judging by earlier similar events, such as in 1995, the impacts on the UK can be quite serious such as the effective closing of ports and airports, and even the channel tunnel, and Easter school holidays are less than 3 weeks away.
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To be fair, I am impressed that Macron has actually done something. It isn't his usual way.Count Steer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:29 amOh, I'm sure it's all going to kick off. Striking, rioting and setting fire to stuff seems to pass as polite discourse in France (here we probably 'chuntered gently' at the equalisation and raising of the pension age). I'm just a bit impressed when a politician sees something that really, really needs to be done (but will be unpopular), says they're going to do something about it...and does it!irie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:55 amThe use of "Gallic" to describe the chicken coming home to roost was I thought an unsubtle play on words. Repeating what I have already said about Macron would be pointless.Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 pm
I agree, it needs to be done and said so, what I don't understand is why you appear to attack him, ie 'his cohabitation chicken is coming home to roost'.
A key point of the post is that judging by earlier similar events, such as in 1995, the impacts on the UK can be quite serious such as the effective closing of ports and airports, and even the channel tunnel, and Easter school holidays are less than 3 weeks away.
The retirement age issue was nonsense - the French knew it was nonsense but it is built into their fabric of a relaxed work / life balance.
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irie wrote: I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!
Actually, we have been told what irie thinks.
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The most impressive thing in Euro politics is the way Giorgia Meloni seems to have confounded critics