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mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:23 am Just following the Trump playbook by the look of things. Set up a blind trust (that actually has 20:20 vision) and carry on.
Except Trump never claimed to not know where his paychecks were deposited or where he had his personal bank account because of a *blind trust*.
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ZRX61 wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:36 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:23 am Just following the Trump playbook by the look of things. Set up a blind trust (that actually has 20:20 vision) and carry on.
Except Trump never claimed to not know where his paychecks were deposited or where he had his personal bank account because of a *blind trust*.
No, he claimed that someone else was running his companies...
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/
Macron invokes nuclear option to force through his pensions reform in huge political setback

French President Emmanuel Macron will bypass parliament to get his flagship reform over the line, risking backlash from politicians and protesters that threatens to wreck his leadership, in what is seen as a defeat for the president.
So,

a) Do you not think that the French pension system needs reform?
b) If not, why not?
c) If yes, who do you think could deliver it?

Seems to me he's prepared to take a big risk in order to do something that needs doing.
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mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:06 pm No, he claimed that someone else was running his companies...
Not denying that. Newsolini is in the SVB collapse so deep he's claiming he didn't know that's where he had his personal accounts. If we are to believe that, we have to believe that he never wrote a check, paid a bill or did any online banking since 2018 & suffered complete amnesia regarding where he banked.
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/

I don't think this is a surprise - the French system is overly generous compared to other similarly wealthy EU nations, and the money simply isn't there. Absolutely this is shit if you're knocking-on to retirement ....
While he's there he probably needs to address similarly generous unemployment benefits, amongst others, because that seems similarly unaffordable. But the pensions thing is potentially crippling and, a bit like the UK, this is probably only step one of further changes.
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ZRX61 wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:20 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:06 pm No, he claimed that someone else was running his companies...
Not denying that. Newsolini is in the SVB collapse so deep he's claiming he didn't know that's where he had his personal accounts. If we are to believe that, we have to believe that he never wrote a check, paid a bill or did any online banking since 2018 & suffered complete amnesia regarding where he banked.
But aren't personal accounts OK? Surely it's the administration of the Bank that matters, not whether he holds a personal account there. I mean, if you owned a Bank (even via a blind trust) wouldn't you bank with 'your' Bank? To do otherwise would indicate a lack of confidence in 'your' Bank. It's a bit like owning shares in a company you run, surely? (And don't call me Shirley...)
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DefTrap wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:22 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/

I don't think this is a surprise - the French system is overly generous compared to other similarly wealthy EU nations, and the money simply isn't there. Absolutely this is shit if you're knocking-on to retirement ....
While he's there he probably needs to address similarly generous unemployment benefits, amongst others, because that seems similarly unaffordable. But the pensions thing is potentially crippling and, a bit like the UK, this is probably only step one of further changes.
It's worth noting that the French retirement age is currently 62. That's 4 years less than the uk. Even the proposed retirement age is 'only' 64. And the French on average live 2 years longer than us Brits, so it's clear to impartial observers that something needs to change in the French system. And just to twist the knife, the French state pension is roughly 50% higher than that in the UK.
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mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:39 pm
DefTrap wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:22 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/

I don't think this is a surprise - the French system is overly generous compared to other similarly wealthy EU nations, and the money simply isn't there. Absolutely this is shit if you're knocking-on to retirement ....
While he's there he probably needs to address similarly generous unemployment benefits, amongst others, because that seems similarly unaffordable. But the pensions thing is potentially crippling and, a bit like the UK, this is probably only step one of further changes.
It's worth noting that the French retirement age is currently 62. That's 4 years less than the uk. Even the proposed retirement age is 'only' 64. And the French on average live 2 years longer than us Brits, so it's clear to impartial observers that something needs to change in the French system. And just to twist the knife, the French state pension is roughly 50% higher than that in the UK.
Not half as good or problematic as the Greek one though. :D Given the popularity of the Mediterranean diet and how long it will help one live it seems strange that they have to retire so young. :lol:
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Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:15 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/
Macron invokes nuclear option to force through his pensions reform in huge political setback

French President Emmanuel Macron will bypass parliament to get his flagship reform over the line, risking backlash from politicians and protesters that threatens to wreck his leadership, in what is seen as a defeat for the president.
So,

a) Do you not think that the French pension system needs reform?
b) If not, why not?
c) If yes, who do you think could deliver it?

Seems to me he's prepared to take a big risk in order to do something that needs doing.
It does need to be done (see Deftrap's post), but I expect a repeat of 1995. Who do I think could deliver it? I don't think anyone can, more likely to be indirectly reformed as a result of a French debt crisis.

Edit: as a result of
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mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:30 pm But aren't personal accounts OK? Surely it's the administration of the Bank that matters, not whether he holds a personal account there. I mean, if you owned a Bank (even via a blind trust) wouldn't you bank with 'your' Bank? To do otherwise would indicate a lack of confidence in 'your' Bank. It's a bit like owning shares in a company you run, surely? (And don't call me Shirley...)
Sure they are, but this lying sack of shit is claiming he had no idea he had ANY accounts there because "blind trust".
We know that at least 4 of his businesses had accounts there & both he & his wife had personal accounts there. How could the mere act of being elected Governor (& putting the businesses in a blind trust) cause you to forget this?
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Biden risking underwear based incineration on his support of gay marriage. Gave an interview where he claimed his dad or grandfather had told him it was all ok & he was a big supporter of it while he was still in HighSchool... Media immediately aired mutiple videos from many years of him clearly stating he was 100% opposed to gay marriage.
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We need just one reporter with balls to yell "Hey asshole! Get the fuck back here!" when he does this.
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:55 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:15 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/

So,

a) Do you not think that the French pension system needs reform?
b) If not, why not?
c) If yes, who do you think could deliver it?

Seems to me he's prepared to take a big risk in order to do something that needs doing.
It does need to be done (see Deftrap's post), but I expect a repeat of 1995. Who do I think could deliver it? I don't think anyone can, more likely to be indirectly reformed as a result of a French debt crisis.

Edit: as a result of
So, if he is trying to reform it, why do you appear to be so anti? It needs to be done, he is trying to do it. What do you want?
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Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:05 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:55 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:15 pm
So,

a) Do you not think that the French pension system needs reform?
b) If not, why not?
c) If yes, who do you think could deliver it?

Seems to me he's prepared to take a big risk in order to do something that needs doing.
It does need to be done (see Deftrap's post), but I expect a repeat of 1995. Who do I think could deliver it? I don't think anyone can, more likely to be indirectly reformed as a result of a French debt crisis.

Edit: as a result of
So, if he is trying to reform it, why do you appear to be so anti? It needs to be done, he is trying to do it. What do you want?
I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!

What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:25 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:05 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:55 pm

It does need to be done (see Deftrap's post), but I expect a repeat of 1995. Who do I think could deliver it? I don't think anyone can, more likely to be indirectly reformed as a result of a French debt crisis.

Edit: as a result of
So, if he is trying to reform it, why do you appear to be so anti? It needs to be done, he is trying to do it. What do you want?
I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!

What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
Without 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want? :eh:
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Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:25 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:05 pm
So, if he is trying to reform it, why do you appear to be so anti? It needs to be done, he is trying to do it. What do you want?
I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!

What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
Without 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want? :eh:
Without cohabitation I think that French pension reform is possible but unlikely.

With cohabitation almost certainly not.

I do not want anything.

What do you want?
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:25 pm What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
It's a result of not having an absolute majority. 'Cohabitation' was necessary to form a goverment.
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:48 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:37 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:25 pm

I neither said nor implied that I was "anti", I don't know where you conjured that up from!

What I said was that this is the expected result of cohabitation.
Without 'cohabitation' do you think that French pension reform could be achieved? If you do not want him to 'cohabit', what exactly do you want? :eh:
Without cohabitation I think that French pension reform is possible but unlikely.

With cohabitation almost certainly not.

I do not want anything.

What do you want?
I go back to the beginning. You do not appear to be happy with Macron or what he is trying to do vis a vis the pension system (which you agree needs reform). So, who do you think can do it? If you don't 'want anything' why does it bother you?
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irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/
Macron invokes nuclear option to force through his pensions reform in huge political setback

French President Emmanuel Macron will bypass parliament to get his flagship reform over the line, risking backlash from politicians and protesters that threatens to wreck his leadership, in what is seen as a defeat for the president.
Just as a reminder, you did post this...so, why?
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DefTrap wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:22 pm
irie wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:45 pm Seems that President Macron's "cohabitation" Gallic chicken is finally coming to roost ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron- ... l-setback/

I don't think this is a surprise - the French system is overly generous compared to other similarly wealthy EU nations, and the money simply isn't there. Absolutely this is shit if you're knocking-on to retirement ....
While he's there he probably needs to address similarly generous unemployment benefits, amongst others, because that seems similarly unaffordable. But the pensions thing is potentially crippling and, a bit like the UK, this is probably only step one of further changes.
They made a bit of a start on the unemployment thing I think. I'm sure it used to be that you could work a 4 or 5 month season and then get 4 or 5 months unemployment at 75% of the wages you earned. I was always amazed at how many people did just work for 4 or 5 months at full pay and idled away the summers !!! It's one of the big reasons that employing people costs so much - employ someone for 10€ an hour* and pay the government in taxes 8,5€ an hour** for that person.


*just a figure to work with - SMIC is more than that!!

** pretty sure it's 8,5, but might be 8!!

mangocrazy wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:39 pm It's worth noting that the French retirement age is currently 62. That's 4 years less than the uk. Even the proposed retirement age is 'only' 64. And the French on average live 2 years longer than us Brits, so it's clear to impartial observers that something needs to change in the French system. And just to twist the knife, the French state pension is roughly 50% higher than that in the UK.
I do REALLY need to find out if I can get into the french pension system!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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