Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:43 am
I would assume that the tax battle ( He claims self employed, HMRC claim at a huge % of this work is for one employer - so he is employed) is behind GL trying to get dismissed from the BBC. He knows exactly what he is doing
I'm not exactly sure how this works, last time I asked the bloke at Kendal Tax office he reckoned the company who pays the worker were more in trouble than the worker if they kept them on for too long.
I'm a labour only subcontractor so it might be different for whatever situation Lineker is in.
irie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:29 pm
So you think that trying to reduce spending from about £5.5m per day, that's over £2bn per year, on providing hotel accommodation alone for people who have illegally entered the UK is simply "red meat"?
Last I heard was that most people who claim asylum end up being eligible, also that the government have massivly reduced the systems processing ability.
Maybe if they upped the speed of processing and pulled their finger out of their arse the asylum seekers could get to work and start paying taxes instead of languishing in hotels unable to work legally.
irie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:29 pm
So you think that trying to reduce spending from about £5.5m per day, that's over £2bn per year, on providing hotel accommodation alone for people who have illegally entered the UK is simply "red meat"?
Last I heard was that most people who claim asylum end up being eligible, also that the government have massivly reduced the systems processing ability.
Maybe if they upped the speed of processing and pulled their finger out of their arse the asylum seekers could get to work and start paying taxes instead of languishing in hotels unable to work legally.
Looks to me like a queuing theory issue where the massive increase in small boat arrivals has increased migrant processing service intervals to the point where the queues will never be reduced, and the rights of those who have legally entered the UK are being prejudiced.
Which of course begs the question of whether increasing processing resources would simply draw in ever more illegal entrants, especially on small boats. Not something I would bet against tbh.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:43 am
I would assume that the tax battle ( He claims self employed, HMRC claim at a huge % of this work is for one employer - so he is employed) is behind GL trying to get dismissed from the BBC. He knows exactly what he is doing
Feels a tad over complicated.
He's presumably the biggest name in Football punditry and Football is surely the biggest sport on TV. He could walk to Sky or BT tomorrow and get a payday that'd sort any financial worries in a heartbeat.
Why bother taking the risk of potentially torpedoing your career with some iffy tweets?
irie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:29 pm
So you think that trying to reduce spending from about £5.5m per day, that's over £2bn per year, on providing hotel accommodation alone for people who have illegally entered the UK is simply "red meat"?
The boats will not be stopped and the immigration can will continue to be kicked down the road. It's an intractable problem and it will continue to cost the exchequer large sums of money.
But the 'stop the boats' charade is just that - pandering to the Tory faithful.
I wonder if any of these lefty loons ever consider that illegal immigration isn't just an issue with 'tory' voters? Some of not many of the Kent areas directly affected may consider some to be selfish for not seeing the issue simply because it doesn't affect them.
Ant wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:44 pm
I was listening to an interview this morning with a Jewish chap who's the chair of the holocaust committee. He said that the Jewish community are disgusted with Mr Linekars comparison.
The UK is trying to stop illegal immigration and people trafficking, that's not what nazi Germany were doing. Nazi Germany were killing Jewish people, that's not what the UK wants to do. In Germany they were not turning down migrants or any kind, asylum seekers or not. I still think people are not understanding the difference between illegal people trafficking and what it is to be an asylum seeker making your way through Western safe Europe, there just is no need to then seek the channels of an illegal trafficking gang when in France, if you're seeking asylum.
And leading up to the point where they began 'killing Jewish people', they went through a process of removing their human and legal rights before, in 1938, detaining 17,000 Jewish citizens and forcibly deporting them to another country (Poland, in this case).
This new UK immigration bill aims to remove the legal rights of those arriving by boat, detain them and forcibly deport them to another country.
By 1940, the Nazi's were looking to deport all Jews to Madagascar. The UK prefers Rwanda...
But yeah, no similarities
It aims to remove the legal rights of those who arrive illegally. Do not break the law and you'll not fall foul of it. Nothing at all similar to 1930 Germany. In fact it's more in line with modern day Australia and Denmark.
irie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:29 pm
So you think that trying to reduce spending from about £5.5m per day, that's over £2bn per year, on providing hotel accommodation alone for people who have illegally entered the UK is simply "red meat"?
The boats will not be stopped and the immigration can will continue to be kicked down the road. It's an intractable problem and it will continue to cost the exchequer large sums of money.
But the 'stop the boats' charade is just that - pandering to the Tory faithful.
So what is the solution?
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
irie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:29 pm
So you think that trying to reduce spending from about £5.5m per day, that's over £2bn per year, on providing hotel accommodation alone for people who have illegally entered the UK is simply "red meat"?
The boats will not be stopped and the immigration can will continue to be kicked down the road. It's an intractable problem and it will continue to cost the exchequer large sums of money.
But the 'stop the boats' charade is just that - pandering to the Tory faithful.
So what is the solution?
I don't think there is one, unless you can stop the wars, oppression, violence and poverty that the migrants are fleeing from.
Mussels wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:20 am
Why is nobody bothered that HMRC say GL avoided tax? When that happened to Nadhim Zahawi he was branded a criminal who should resign from everything.
That's an easy one. NH paid up, including extra. GL hasn't - yet.
Lineker is one of a number of high-profile presenters who have been subject to IR35 investigations in recent years.
Adrian Chiles successfully contested a £1.7m IR35 bill in February 2022, while Lorraine Kelly also successfully appealed her £1.2m IR35 bill at a tribunal in 2019.
Eamonn Holmes has been less successful, however, and is challenging a first-tier tribunal verdict which found him to be a disguised employee of ITV last year. Holmes’ IR35 case carries around £250,000 in liability.
Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:43 am
I would assume that the tax battle ( He claims self employed, HMRC claim at a huge % of this work is for one employer - so he is employed) is behind GL trying to get dismissed from the BBC. He knows exactly what he is doing
Feels a tad over complicated.
He's presumably the biggest name in Football punditry and Football is surely the biggest sport on TV. He could walk to Sky or BT tomorrow and get a payday that'd sort any financial worries in a heartbeat.
Why bother taking the risk of potentially torpedoing your career with some iffy tweets?
He is not torpedoing his career - just trying to avoid 4.6 million fro HMRC
Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:07 pm
He is not torpedoing his career - just trying to avoid 4.6 million fro HMRC
Sorry, I'm not making the link. GL is responsible for his tax affairs, not the BBC. As I understand it, GL is saying he's offering his services to the BBC from within his umbrella co. HMRC will be claiming that as the BBC is his only customer then he should be employed by them.
The current fracas will have no tangible influence on this process.
I can't see him leaving the BBC having any influence on his IR35 case.
HMRC do lose a lot of IR35 prosecutions, threatening contractors didn't work and why they started to threaten the employing companies. HMRC's version of the law is fuzzy, I suspect the only reason Zahawi settled easily was because they threatened his political career.
Otherwise the cases are very similar, grey tax areas where HMRC try to bully people into paying more than they legally need to.
Mr Moofo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:07 pm
He is not torpedoing his career - just trying to avoid 4.6 million fro HMRC
Sorry, I'm not making the link. GL is responsible for his tax affairs, not the BBC. As I understand it, GL is saying he's offering his services to the BBC from within his umbrella co. HMRC will be claiming that as the BBC is his only customer then he should be employed by them.
The current fracas will have no tangible influence on this process.
Because HMRC are saying that he is not a freelancer - but essentially employed by the BBC. Hence the difference that they are coming after him for - full time employee vs freelance
HMRC will claim his extensive work for BT Sport and the BBC means he should be classed as an employee for tax purposes, because he agrees to do a minimum number of games and shows for the broadcaster.
One of his first TV jobs away from football was as the face of Walkers crisps, and the Leicester-born star last year signed a new three-year deal with the firm – the snacks are made in his home city.
The deal sees him feature in television advert campaigns and on social media. He has been working with the brand for more than 27 years, first teaming up with Walkers in 1994, and has now appeared in 150 adverts.
Lineker is also an investor in an insurance company which aims to reduce premiums for drivers between the ages of 17 and 25.
Few BBC viewers will know that some of the programmes Lineker hosts are not part of his deal with the broadcaster but shows he sells to them through his production company.
In 2020 he hosted and made Football, Prince William And Our Mental Health through Goalhanger Films. He has made others for the Corporation with stars including Marcus Rashford and Wayne Rooney, and featuring his beloved Leicester City.
He also produces podcasts for the BBC. He recently announced a show he is making about tennis superstar Serena Williams, which he has sold to Amazon.
He also works for LaLiga TV. Lineker quit one big-money deal at BT Sport for another – transferring to La Liga to present football matches from the top Spanish division, live from Barcelona.
Lineker still speaks Spanish after his time playing for the Catalan giants and he signed a multi-year contract with LaLigaTV.
Speaking of the job, he said he was 'thrilled', adding: 'I have fond memories of my time playing in Spain and very much look forward to sharing the excitement of La Liga with viewers in the UK and elsewhere.'
There are also books.
In 2019, along with his friend and fellow broadcaster Danny Baker, Lineker published a book full of football anecdotes called Behind Closed Doors.
A bestseller, it was culled from a podcast the pair presented.
He promotes his own range of sunglasses and glasses, which he handpicks, for high street chain Vision Express.
Lineker is renowned for his snappy suits when presenting his TV shows, which was clearly noticed by upmarket shirt brand TM Lewin, who then signed him up to promote the label.
He appeared on its website where he advertised the budget range, starting at £25.
He also used to encourage his millions of social media followers to shop at TM Lewin stores before the business went online only.
In 2021 it was announced that Lineker would be straddling the BBC and ITV after being lured by the latter to host a new gameshow, named Sitting On A Fortune. A second series is billed to return in 2023.
I have no idea how HMRC decide 'full time', but that seems quite a varied list of interests and clients.
