Chief Twit

[Hoonercat]

They had at least half a dozen embedded FBI agents inciting the riot which has been flagged as an insurrection.

Tamest “insurrection” in history, the over edited photos/videos trying to make it look “violent” are hilarious.

I'm just flagging this because, once again, a "conspiracy theory" has finally been proved to be a conspiracy fact after the release of the Jan 6th cctv.

For those who missed it, it shown the "leader" of this violent insurrection, worse than the civil war, being escorted by state police officers all around the building. Our unfortunate hero (still rotting in jail for <unspecified> crime) later addresses the crowd and gives a prayer of thanks to the officers for "letting them in".

The footage has been withheld for years because it flies in the face of the over-exaggerated narrative the left wing state propaganda machine (aka mainstream media) have been churning out all this time. It also meant a LOT of peaceful protesters were slung in jail for committing no crime at all except one must conclude, for being Trump supporters...

Plus of course, the only person to die at the event was murdered after being shot dead for no other reason than that she was there. Wrong place, wrong time.

Oh and why this thread? Well Elon Musk has come out publicly to criticise the behaviour of the Biden administration for "misleading the public" with this "partisan" political charade being "deeply wrong, legally and morally".

Your 'hero' pleaded guilty, get over it

I was wrong for entering the Capitol. I have no excuse -- no excuse whatsoever. In retrospect, I'd do everything differently on Jan. 6 ... I would try with all my heart and soul to stop people. I think the hardest part about this is that I know that I'm to blame.

The judge released a vid of him entering the building along with a large crowd. The (very few) police were attempting to stop them but were overwhelmed by the numbers, and flanked by protestors who had smashed a window and were now inside the building. For the duration of that video there was only one police officer seen on cam, he stood by as there was nothing he could do but was still pepper sprayed. The police inside the building have previously stated that they were so outnumbered that they had to try to talk to the protestors, rather than confront them (there were at least 2,000 protestors in the building). Your 'hero' goes wondering off around the building, shadowed by police officers who don't want to further inflame the situation. You conveniently ignore that he was part of a crowd that forced their way into the building. Meh.

[Screwdriver]

For those who missed it, it shown the "leader" of this violent insurrection, worse than the civil war,

Seriously?

Four years of war and over 1 million dead and this was worse?

Catch yourself on Screwd. You'll be telling us next that the world is flat.

IKR? But that is what the mainstream media and Biden administration have been saying for years now. Every single news outlet was parrotting "insurrection" from Day#1. How does that happen...

Those "protesters" were trespassing and violating the sanctity of a government office. Pretty damned stupid to storm a building and they deserve to have the book thrown at them. But one of them was shot dead which I thought was a bit harsh. Plus there is still some confusion as to why repeated calls for additional security were denied. Rumour has it this was refused by Nancy Peloci. Now why would the house speaker veto any additional security when there were tens of thousands of protestors on their way? And what exactly was the FBI doing with their embedded agents trying to spur on the crowd?

The democrat party used this "insurrection" as an excuse to try and bar Trump from seeking re-election. They have been banging on about it for years so I assume part of the plan was to allow things to get out of hand. Other opinions are available.

Elon Musk (the main topic under discussion here) has firmly come down on the side of "due process" pointing out that the extreme punishments being handed out are at odds with the actual events of that day. He will pay a price for that no doubt. This burgeoning authoritarianism will try and punish him too for daring not to accept the propaganda surrounding this extreme abuse of authority.

[Screwdriver]

The police were lucky it was republican supporters, when the democrat supporters seized part of Seattle in an armed insurrection they blocked East Precinct police station door and attempted to burn them alive*

It was reported and it is fact, but it didn’t get the same sort of narrative on social media as the DC incident.

* The response to this was to give in to demands to defund the police and they made 100 officers redundant. Ironically Trump tweeted that if there was an insurrection in DC then they’d be met by force - and Twitter sanctioned him for making a threat to an unspecified group

Last weekend an armed group of Antifa supporters stormed a police training ground, hurling molotov cocktails, destroying the building site. It doesn't get much news coverage. I guess it was "mostly peaceful" just like the BLM/Antifa wave of destruction we saw last year. Or was it the year before (or both??). Clearly there is extreme partisanship and Antifa are operating like the armed wing of the democrat party.

What happens in the USA doesn't affect me of course but the infection is spreading and we are starting to see some of this left wing nonsense turn up in the UK. That does worry me for a number of reasons. One is this nonsense surrounding gender and compelled speech, another is the scam which uses "hate crime" as an excuse to make up new laws to further lock down free speech and individual privacy.

This is why identity politics is being shoved down our throats when the vast majority of normal folk could not care less if some bloke wants to wear a dress or how dark your skin is. But dare to speak out against the narrativ or just accidentally say the wrong word and you can be branded "extreme right wing". "racist", "homophobic", "transphobic" and therefore a "terrorist". An authoritarian state can then come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Elon Musk is one of very few individuals with any clout who can do anything to stop it. If this nonsense is not stopped, were are heading straight into the world of "1984". It might even already be too late.

[Screwdriver]

Your 'hero' pleaded guilty, get over it

Again you miss the irony in my commentary. It is not me or even the "insurrectionists" who invented the character "QAnon Shamen" and promoted him as poster boy for the riot. It was the mainstream media. Every single one of them, as if they had one voice they all sing from the same song sheet...

Whatever the rights and wrongs of trespassing in a government building, the video of him wandering around being escorted/guided by police officers (and thinking them for letting them in!) is at odds with the narrative of a violent terrorist. So is the sentence of four years in jail when frankly, the same court would (and probably has) set free a protestor who set fire to a police station (for example).

[Cousin Jack]

If this nonsense is not stopped, were are heading straight into the world of "1984". It might even already be too late.

It probably is. We import every Americanism eventually.

[Hoonercat]

Your 'hero' pleaded guilty, get over it

Again you miss the irony in my commentary. It is not me or even the "insurrectionists" who invented the character "QAnon Shamen" and promoted him as poster boy for the riot. It was the mainstream media. Every single one of them, as if they had one voice they all sing from the same song sheet...

Whatever the rights and wrongs of trespassing in a government building, the video of him wandering around being escorted/guided by police officers (and thinking them for letting them in!) is at odds with the narrative of a violent terrorist. So is the sentence of four years in jail when frankly, the same court would (and probably has) set free a protestor who set fire to a police station (for example).

Yebbut that's not actually the point I was addressing. It was this

I'm just flagging this because, once again, a "conspiracy theory" has finally been proved to be a conspiracy fact after the release of the Jan 6th cctv.

Over 40,000 hours of video footage, and the only thing Carlson can come up with is two police officers shadowing a protestor through the building, and that somehow proves a conspiracy theory to be a conspiracy fact? You'll have to walk me through it.

[Slenver]

They had at least half a dozen embedded FBI agents inciting the riot which has been flagged as an insurrection.

Tamest “insurrection” in history, the over edited photos/videos trying to make it look “violent” are hilarious.

I'm just flagging this because, once again, a "conspiracy theory" has finally been proved to be a conspiracy fact after the release of the Jan 6th cctv.

For those who missed it, it shown the "leader" of this violent insurrection, worse than the civil war, being escorted by state police officers all around the building. Our unfortunate hero (still rotting in jail for <unspecified> crime) later addresses the crowd and gives a prayer of thanks to the officers for "letting them in".

The footage has been withheld for years because it flies in the face of the over-exaggerated narrative the left wing state propaganda machine (aka mainstream media) have been churning out all this time. It also meant a LOT of peaceful protesters were slung in jail for committing no crime at all except one must conclude, for being Trump supporters...

Plus of course, the only person to die at the event was murdered after being shot dead for no other reason than that she was there. Wrong place, wrong time.

Oh and why this thread? Well Elon Musk has come out publicly to criticise the behaviour of the Biden administration for "misleading the public" with this "partisan" political charade being "deeply wrong, legally and morally".

Sorry, have I stumbled onto Breitbart? This is, in the main, childish propaganda. And really has no connection anyway with the idiot in charge of Twitter.

[Screwdriver]

Over 40,000 hours of video footage, and the only thing Carlson can come up with is two police officers shadowing a protestor through the building, and that somehow proves a conspiracy theory to be a conspiracy fact? You'll have to walk me through it.

Well that is the point really. 40,000 hours of people wandering about aimlessly doing nothing. Not setting fire to anything, not smashing the place up, not fighting the police etc.

That is at odds with the comically edited video(s) put out by the MSM declaring an "insurrection" "worse than the civil war" etc.

Also, all of this evidence was withheld until after the guilty parties were safely dragged through the court and locked up for, err, for what exactly?

[Screwdriver]

Sorry, have I stumbled onto Breitbart? This is, in the main, childish propaganda. And really has no connection anyway with the idiot in charge of Twitter.

You have clearly not seen Elon's recent tweet on this very subject.

You won't hear too much about it in MSM except of course there will inevitably be some sort of attack on him, directed by the Biden admin and promulgated by MSM. It won't be for what he said about the illegality of the prosecutions for the "insurrectionists". They'll just make something up and run a smear campaign...

[Slenver]

You have clearly not seen Elon's recent tweet on this very subject.

I stopped using it after Musk drove it into the ground. But I just logged on and googled to see the tweets but couldn't find any mention. Just loads of stuff about his viciously slandering people, so nothing unusual.

You won't hear too much about it in MSM except of course there will inevitably be some sort of attack on him, directed by the Biden admin and promulgated by MSM. It won't be for what he said about the illegality of the prosecutions for the "insurrectionists". They'll just make something up and run a smear campaign...

I'm sorry, but you lost me at 'MSM'. Then some bizarre rant about Biden directing non-existent attacks on him.

You used to be much more cogent and rational back in the day.

[Screwdriver]

You have clearly not seen Elon's recent tweet on this very subject.

I stopped using it after Musk drove it into the ground. But I just logged on and googled to see the tweets but couldn't find any mention. Just loads of stuff about his viciously slandering people, so nothing unusual.

You won't hear too much about it in MSM except of course there will inevitably be some sort of attack on him, directed by the Biden admin and promulgated by MSM. It won't be for what he said about the illegality of the prosecutions for the "insurrectionists". They'll just make something up and run a smear campaign...

I'm sorry, but you lost me at 'MSM'. Then some bizarre rant about Biden directing non-existent attacks on him.

You used to be much more cogent and rational back in the day.

OK. Apology accepted.

As for Elon being attacked, that's more of a prediction than a news report. You cannot criticise an authoritarian government without being penalised. They used the ESG nonsense to claim Tesla are not green/woke enough after Elon took Twitter away from their propaganda machine. What will they do about this criticism of the persecution of protestors from Jan 6th... Watch this space.

[Slenver]

As for Elon being attacked, that's more of a prediction than a news report.

Ah, I see. The thing you said happened didn't actually happen. You just dreamt it up and decided to post about it anyway as 'proof' of everyone else's problems.

That's just a little bit weird.

[crust]

Come on Screwd, you've worked in the media, you don't think that Tucker Carlson and Fox news might have edited the 40,000 hours of footage (that only he has had access to) to show his point of view and has conveniently ignored the violence?

Or is that an alternative conspiracy thoery?

Why not release the footage to all the news agencies?

[Ant]

Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers, they all go down the same line......

[Screwdriver]

As for Elon being attacked, that's more of a prediction than a news report.

Ah, I see. The thing you said happened didn't actually happen. You just dreamt it up and decided to post about it anyway as 'proof' of everyone else's problems.

That's just a little bit weird.

Here's what I actually said:

You won't hear too much about it in MSM except of course there will inevitably be some sort of attack on him, directed by the Biden admin and promulgated by MSM.

Could somebody explain the concept of tense to this dullard. It is beginning to bore me.

[Screwdriver]

Come on Screwd, you've worked in the media, you don't think that Tucker Carlson and Fox news might have edited the 40,000 hours of footage (that only he has had access to) to show his point of view and has conveniently ignored the violence?

Or is that an alternative conspiracy thoery?

Why not release the footage to all the news agencies?

Yes, considering the piece is about 5 minutes long, I do have a sneaking suspicion they may have left a bit out of the 40,000 hours the Biden has been hiding all these years. I don't know why or even if Fox are hanging onto it. I assume some sort of deal has been made. It was only released since the Democratic part lost control of the house. Until now it has been withheld for, err, for why I wonder...

Anyhow, which violence have they left out? Genuine question. Was there any actual violence during this protest?

I assume there will be plenty of clips to choose from, I mean the MSM went on and on about it for years. All I have seen is plenty of dramatic overly colour corrected footage of tear gas (fired by the state police), some carefully chosen clips of people running complete with shaky footage and err, I think someone threw a fire extinguisher (or maybe they were just swinging it??). In all honesty, I really haven't seen anything I would consider violence.

Please though, if anyone is tempted to just dismiss my alleged ignorance with "omg open your eyes" or "you won't listen anyway" etc. please do me a favour and show me a clip so I can see what I must have missed.

[Slenver]

As for Elon being attacked, that's more of a prediction than a news report.

Ah, I see. The thing you said happened didn't actually happen. You just dreamt it up and decided to post about it anyway as 'proof' of everyone else's problems.

That's just a little bit weird.

Here's what I actually said:

You won't hear too much about it in MSM except of course there will inevitably be some sort of attack on him, directed by the Biden admin and promulgated by MSM.

Could somebody explain the concept of tense to this dullard. It is beginning to bore me.

Wake me up when your predictions about something that's supposed to have happened several days ago finally comes true.

[Slenver]

In all honesty, I really haven't seen anything I would consider violence.

Personally, I can't really conceive how much effort it must've taken to avoid seeing that, but I guess when your mind is as open as yours is then somehow you get to block all that irritating and boring reality.

[DefTrap]

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This is why identity politics is being shoved down our throats when the vast majority of normal folk could not care less if some bloke wants to wear a dress or how dark your skin is. But dare to speak out against the narrativ or just accidentally say the wrong word and you can be branded "extreme right wing". "racist", "homophobic", "transphobic" and therefore a "terrorist". An authoritarian state can then come down on you like a ton of bricks.

I would agree that the "vast majority of normal folk could not care less ..." statement but I totally disagree about the rest. There are those who say to your face they couldn't care less but then go on to tell anyone in shouting distance exactly why they do care, in the strongest terms and often using just those very same "racist", "homophobic", "transphobic" terms. If so they've got you bang to rights, there's nothing authoritarian about it, and Christ knows how terrorism enters into it.

[Screwdriver]

In all honesty, I really haven't seen anything I would consider violence.

Personally, I can't really conceive how much effort it must've taken to avoid seeing that, but I guess when your mind is as open as yours is then somehow you get to block all that irritating and boring reality.

...and exactly as I predict in the post I made only moments ago, all you can provide is rhetoric.

"...avoid seeing that". That what?

I assume there must have been some level violence. Difficult not to have conflict with such a large crowd and a deliberate lack of policing but I haven't seen any footage which is anywhere near the hype and hyperbole being the worst since the civil war.

In fact there was a far more violent attack in Washington DC just a few years back perpetrated by BLM/Antifa. Proper old fashioned violence with cars on fire and police officers being attacked, the building stormed etc. They even set fire to a church. But that was "mostly peaceful" and more to the point, anti-Trump so was of course perfectly acceptable.

The attorney general just made a statement regarding the "insurrection" of Jan 6th saying five police officers died. Do you believe him?

Surely the attorney general wouldn't tell a blatant lie?

The whole thing stinks and if you can't see that, then you're the one who is deluded, not me.