Migrants - Will the new law work?

[Cousin Jack]

Never mind the legality or otherwise, that will be argued about in all sorts of places by eminent judges and professors of this and that. If it is not it will be changed. Never mind the morality of it, some take one view, others take a very different view, with lots of in-between views available too Simple question really, IF it is implemented and IF it is legal, will it actually work?

My own view it that it won't. Where are these people going to be deported to? Most always have ditched any passports, now everyone will, and no-one will admit coming from a 'safe' country. So that leaves the Rwanda option, and I cannot see that working for the numbers involved. Mind you, could be a good little earner if someone wants to start up an airline with 2 or 3 flights a day from Gatwick to Rwanda, the return trip will be fairly empty so tweak the pricing model for that. I'm sure some Minister has a mate who will try it.

So we will end up with 1000's of people, legally barred from ever entering Britain but actually still in Britain waiting t be deported. Nice one Suella!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Yeah I don't see it actually working either. Surely every single plane that is due to leave is gonna be subject to 600 legal to and fros.

Send the buggers...somewhere else! Doesn't smack of a well thought out policy to me. Smacks very much of a old school tory voter policy though.

[Ant]

I wonder what Larry Ginekar thinks?

[MrLongbeard]

I've got an idea

[Ant]

[Docca]

I wonder what Larry Ginekar thinks?

That’s twice now.


FWIW, I agree with Linekar on this. He has a platform, he’s chosen to speak out about the cruel absurdity of this. It does have chimes with 1930s Germany and only psychopaths can agree with it.

‘Stop the boats’ - this is what we’ve become. Not that there are humans on the boats, nor that we could invest in better security in France - let’s jingo our way back up the polls.

The tories were tanking- but through a few lightweight, Ill defined promises - and it will ( as designed) trigger a response.

‘Oh, but you’re getting all your views via social media’ you’re on social media now.

[demographic]

When a government/economy is doing badly its far more likely to blame someone else and try to hold onto power. Externalize the problem, ideally onto someone weaker who can't fight back and convince the population that the current governments the only ones who can keep the monster at bay.
It's happening in Venezuela, China, Russia and the UK and several other countries.

Oh and the new idea wont work, just like their other stuff isnt working. This seems to me to be the current conservatives death throes, with luck they'll not strip a the copper out of the country and flog it to the scrapmen before they're booted out and with even more luck they might have a period of introspection and become an effective (to keep the next government in line) opposition.

[Ant]

What's actually happening is, they're finally listening to the electorate.

There will always be someone for whom this problem doesn't affect, so they don't consider it as a problem, but for the many who live in those Kent areas, it's a massive problem. Calling on the Government to do something about it has been going on for some time. To say they're looking for someone else to blame is rather like burying your head in the sand. The economy has nothing to do with it, the Government aren't blaming illegal migrants for it. There are many issues about and this is just one of them.

[Ant]

I wonder what Larry Ginekar thinks?

That’s twice now.

You're counting, so it's obviously an issue.

FWIW, I agree with Linekar on this. He has a platform, he’s chosen to speak out about the cruel absurdity of this. It does have chimes with 1930s Germany and only psychopaths can agree with it.

‘Stop the boats’ - this is what we’ve become. Not that there are humans on the boats, nor that we could invest in better security in France - let’s jingo our way back up the polls.

The tories were tanking- but through a few lightweight, Ill defined promises - and it will ( as designed) trigger a response.

‘Oh, but you’re getting all your views via social media’ you’re on social media now.

Interesting. So you fully support and are wanting illegal criminal gangs to traffick people into England?

[Yambo]

I think it's a pretty poor plan that will ultimately fail

^^^^ This

It's a tricky issue isn't it. The RNLI are actively working with people traffickers, the government are currently doing exactly what the people traffickers want and other important services are being downgraded to pay for it all.

I know what I'd do. Well, I've already done it. I've moved abroad and freed up some space for Somalians.

[Docca]

but I'll be a monkeys uncle if anyone commenting here so far is able to have any sort of intelligent discussion on the political ideology of 1930's Germany, you're parroting something that you really don't understand and snatching soundbites

Christ almighty, this is poor. It’s a forum, where opinions matter ( right or wrong) otherwise it would die. It isn’t a history scholar forum. I studied history at A level as it happens, but that doesn’t make me any more or less qualified to comment about this or motorbikes or depression or current immigration approaches.


I’ll say this- if anyone doesn’t recognise this latest Tory arm-flailing as anything but a populist lever to win votes with the racists in Essex and Kent, well, derr.

[Cousin Jack]

What's actually happening is, they're finally listening to the electorate.

There will always be someone for whom this problem doesn't affect, so they don't consider it as a problem, but for the many who live in those Kent areas, it's a massive problem. Calling on the Government to do something about it has been going on for some time. To say they're looking for someone else to blame is rather like burying your head in the sand. The economy has nothing to do with it, the Government aren't blaming illegal migrants for it. There are many issues about and this is just one of them.

The OP asked if it would work.

I know there are questions about the legality and the morality of it, I also know it is popular with the great unwashed, not so with the chattering classes, but the question remains, If it becomes law and is upheld in the courts, WILL IT WORK?

[DefTrap]

It's a poor policy, thought out by a government desperately short on competency. They've sacked and scandalled all the half decent ones and we're left with the cruel dullards, playing to the 'send them home' crowd, the dwindling brexity faithful. Some of us might be more comfortable to 'ignore the mortality', I just don't think that's possible.

Of course illegal immigration is a problem. Of course this policy won't work.

Btw if we're swinging our credentials, I also have an A level in History (from back when they were based upon real history, not the history of HipHop), but I'm sure the desert sparkies know better.

[MingtheMerciless]

Alastair Campbell, Blair's Chief henchman, that bastion of honesty and truth. Lets not forget his murky dealings with a certain 2002 Dossier, the death of David Kelly and countless Iraqi's and soldiers.

[cheb]

^That was my first thought about those tweets. I love how failed and/or discredited pundits get quoted when it's convenient.

Personally I get my opinions on important matters from sports commentators. Especially those who were railed at for being disgracefully overpaid by a public body.

To the OP, will it work? I doubt it, but then I don't think anything will. Maybe we could ask the French for help if they weren't busy striking and trying to bring down their government.

[Mussels]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with an alternative. We've tried improving security on the French side, that didn't work and I haven't heard a single suggestion from Labour, not even 'we welcome them'.
Nobody knows if this will work as it hasn't been tried.

I didn't even start history GCSE but even I know not every Nazi policy would have been evil as everyone needs some normal stuff. I don't know about the policy mentioned and I suspect many people posting it don't, they just want people to associate Tories with Nazis without worrying about those unimportant details. Agreeing with vague political soundbites (both sides) doesn't make you clever.

I had to mute Alastair Campbell, all he tweets are vague soundbites that don't mean anything.

[JamJar]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with an alternative. We've tried improving security on the French side, that didn't work and I haven't heard a single suggestion from Labour, not even 'we welcome them'.
Nobody knows if this will work as it hasn't been tried.

I didn't even start history GCSE but even I know not every Nazi policy would have been evil as everyone needs some normal stuff. I don't know about the policy mentioned and I suspect many people posting it don't, they just want people to associate Tories with Nazis without worrying about those unimportant details. Agreeing with vague political soundbites (both sides) doesn't make you clever.

I had to mute Alastair Campbell, all he tweets are vague soundbites that don't mean anything.

Set up asylum centres in France and anywhere else people are coming from where people can apply for asylum and process their applications quickly. Employ teams of government officials to travel around all the migrant camps and areas where they congregate in France and elsewhere to educate the people of the rules and the correct and safe way to claim asylum set up above. Put real effort into catching the traffickers and smugglers rather than just catching the passengers. Once that is in place it is much easier to argue that anyone else who gets her by small boat shouldn't be helped and should be deported.

[Ant]

It works in Australia, so why not here?

Let's not be too critical just yet, something has to be done and we have to start somewhere.

[Yambo]

I’ll say this- if anyone doesn’t recognise this latest Tory arm-flailing as anything but a populist lever to win votes with the racists in Essex and Kent, well, derr.

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with an alternative. We've tried improving security on the French side, that didn't work and I haven't heard a single suggestion from Labour, not even 'we welcome them'.

LOL

It was Blair's policy of allowing uncontrolled immigration that got us into this mess in the first place and you know why he encouraged it?

Migrants were more likely to vote Labour.

[DefTrap]

I'm still waiting for someone to come up with an alternative .... I haven't heard a single suggestion from Labour, not even 'we welcome them'.
Nobody knows if this will work as it hasn't been tried.

Well the UK is in a curious position of not really being somewhere that immigrants transit through to get to where they really want to be. It -is- a problem, nobody is denying that. The governments expects the opposition to spoon-feed them a solution that is both humane and cost effective? (Not that they would agree with either). I mean I doubt they have one, I doubt there is one, but you can't really use that as excuse for 'trying' a policy that fails on both counts.

We've tried improving security on the French side, that didn't work .

Put yourselves in their shoes. How would "create migrant camps in UK coast towns and stop them leaving" go down as a UK policy?

The current policy is one of desperation and, so far, it's the best option we have. The UK is fortunate in that it has a naturally occurring Trumpian 'fence' that artificially reduces the problem a 1000-fold, otherwise presumably the next "let's try this policy" suggestion would be to machine-gun them from the cliffs.