Hoonercat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:48 pmftfy It's a bugbear of mine, attributing the salary rise to 12k EU drivers leaving, while ignoring that almost 50k domestic drivers left the industry over the same period
It's him that attributes the rise in salary due to the drop in EU drivers.
Probably because well over 90% of the drivers he was 'competing against' at the depots were EU drivers (North Lundun innit)
The rise in various other parts of the UK was almost certainly due to a mix of both but he didn't notice any fewer UK drivers around locally...just EU.
I wonder how many HGV drivers quit to become home delivery drivers for outfits like DPD and DHL etc etc. The numbers involved there must have gone up like a going up thing. Local-ish work, don't have to sleep in the cab, sleep in your own bed every night, not restricted to an HGV diet etc etc. Can't say that many of the parcel deliverers to my doorstep were born in this country so just counting HGV drivers isn't the whole picture either.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
When the shortage of HGV drivers started it was blamed on Brexit, now someone suggests it was a good thing we are told it was nothing to do with Brexit.
HGV drivers are just one of a long list of jobs that had artificially low pay, propped up by cheap imported labour and a ludicrous benefit system that tops up wages. Care workers spring to mind.
Until this resolves itself, which wont be quick or easy, you can expect more pain.
Potter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:53 am
FWIW Brexit was always a left wing plan, the old guard who were actually Labour and not Tory-lite tried their best to exit.
Kinnock and Blair shifted the whole party further and further towards the money, it's now run by a multi-millionaire public schoolboy playing Blairite politics, but if you're anywhere to the left of that then Brexit made sense, it's fundamentally a working mans vote, like nationalisation, Corbyn was right on the button if that's your politics, if you claim to stand anywhere near his version of Labour then you should be pro-Brexit and nationalisation, otherwise you're a Tory dressed up as a Blairite.
I think a lot of people are holding onto ghosts and ghost politics, so trying to argue with nothing but smoke in your hands is always going to be full of holes, as proven by this thread.
What you've said mades sense. Some of the people I know who are left wing, hate the Tories, they call them elite and hate that in their opinion, we've had PMs which haven't been elected by the public, although as we know, that's not how it works.
So on the basis of elite and the unelected, I can't see why some of the left have such a cult like attachment to the EU. If you want to see elite, just look towards the EU. Unelected? No one can vote on the president of the EU, apart from the elites. Look at all the money and where it goes, pure elitist. So why do the left cling onto it so much?
Reading an article this morning where a former HGV driver explained why he left the industry. First reason was IR35, which brought his take-home pay down. Second reason was what he described as 'unforgiving tightening tacho rules and regulations'. Drivers have to stop for a 45minute break every 4.5 hours, go over this and you get an infringment. 10 infringments and you will face a disciplinary hearing which can result in suspension. As he points out, as careful as you are when planning your journey, there will always be things out of your control, and finding somewhere to park a 45 tonne HGV for 45 minutes when you're behind schedule is very difficult.
Popped onto a HGV forum to lean a bit more about tacho regs, the biggest talking pointon the first page of threads is driversnot understanding the regs. Recently qualified drivers asking questions, experienced drivers answering them, other drivers saying no, that's not right.
One thing that really stood out was the amount of drivers who can't find work. Newly qualified drivers being told they don't have enough experience (one had made 60 applications and was still looking), experienced drivers who've been out of the industry being turned away by agencies because they don't have any 'tacho miles' recorded, those who have been working on and off being turned away because they don't have an 8 week history of continuous tacho miles. From the outside, it all seems like an absolute mess.
Ant wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:51 am
So on the basis of elite and the unelected, I can't see why some of the left have such a cult like attachment to the EU. If you want to see elite, just look towards the EU. Unelected? No one can vote on the president of the EU, apart from the elites. Look at all the money and where it goes, pure elitist. So why do the left cling onto it so much?
You guys!
Brexit was a left wing plan that the left voted against because they didn't understand how right wing they were?
Probably word for word from the Daily Express or gammon.com
Potter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:53 am
FWIW Brexit was always a left wing plan, the old guard who were actually Labour and not Tory-lite tried their best to exit.
Kinnock and Blair shifted the whole party further and further towards the money, it's now run by a multi-millionaire public schoolboy playing Blairite politics, but if you're anywhere to the left of that then Brexit made sense, it's fundamentally a working mans vote, like nationalisation, Corbyn was right on the button if that's your politics, if you claim to stand anywhere near his version of Labour then you should be pro-Brexit and nationalisation, otherwise you're a Tory dressed up as a Blairite.
I think a lot of people are holding onto ghosts and ghost politics, so trying to argue with nothing but smoke in your hands is always going to be full of holes, as proven by this thread.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:20 am
Brexit was a left wing plan that the left voted against because they didn't understand how right wing they were?
The plastic left on here don't realise how right wing they are
So basically, most people are (small c) conservative? Wow.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Mussels wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:56 pm
When the shortage of HGV drivers started it was blamed on Brexit, now someone suggests it was a good thing we are told it was nothing to do with Brexit.
Sorry, I was bored and wondered if I could get the usual protagonists to do a 180 and argue that actually a lot of the picture we see today hasn't been caused by Brexit
Yes, we have no tomatoes
Sorry, I was also bored and wondered if I could get the usual protagonist (no need for plurals) to do a 180 and pretend it was all just a wind up. Again.
Mussels wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:56 pm
When the shortage of HGV drivers started it was blamed on Brexit, now someone suggests it was a good thing we are told it was nothing to do with Brexit.
Sorry, I was bored and wondered if I could get the usual protagonists to do a 180 and argue that actually a lot of the picture we see today hasn't been caused by Brexit
Yes, we have no tomatoes
Sorry, I was also bored and wondered if I could get the usual protagonist (no need for plurals) to do a 180 and pretend it was all just a wind up. Again.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Got a message from a mate who lives in Belgium yesterday, he's at the Chanel Tunnel pet passport check and the French wouldn't let him board because his dog (which he adopted in the UK) has a UK-issued pet passport. He had to travel 45 minutes (France, Sunday) to a vet and get it swapped for a EU passport (€100), a total delay of 2.5 hours. Belgium is in the Schengen zone, so he can take the dog to any country in the zone (no border checks) on a UK pet passport, but not back to the UK
Technically, they've actually done him a favour as he would have had problems getting the dog back through France with a UK passport (health cert needed for each journey back to the EU) but this was never part of the conservation, they simply told him he couldn't travel with a UK pet passport. The dog's annual vax and rabies jabs have been done in the EU so I'm struggling to understand how the French can insist on a EU passport to travel to the UK?
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Potter wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 1:51 am
... Ergo, whenever I choose, I can lead you about like the pied piper, but it doesn't mean that what I said isn't true, indeed, it should be true, because then it really hooks you. Again.
Ah yes, the all knowing puppet meister pulling the strings
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Hoonercat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:26 am If you say so fella.
Got a message from a mate who lives in Belgium yesterday, he's at the Chanel Tunnel pet passport check and the French wouldn't let him board because his dog (which he adopted in the UK) has a UK-issued pet passport. He had to travel 45 minutes (France, Sunday) to a vet and get it swapped for a EU passport (€100), a total delay of 2.5 hours. Belgium is in the Schengen zone, so he can take the dog to any country in the zone (no border checks) on a UK pet passport, but not back to the UK
Technically, they've actually done him a favour as he would have had problems getting the dog back through France with a UK passport (health cert needed for each journey back to the EU) but this was never part of the conservation, they simply told him he couldn't travel with a UK pet passport. The dog's annual vax and rabies jabs have been done in the EU so I'm struggling to understand how the French can insist on a EU passport to travel to the UK?
How is that a surprise? When we were in the EU the French invented rules when it suited them. Now we are out they are still doing it.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:37 am
How is that a surprise? When we were in the EU the French invented rules when it suited them. Now we are out they are still doing it.
'You' wanted independence, this is what it feels like. 'You' don't get to be consulted first.
The pet passport rules have always been retarded by the way.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:37 am
How is that a surprise? When we were in the EU the French invented rules when it suited them. Now we are out they are still doing it.
'You' wanted independence, this is what it feels like. 'You' don't get to be consulted first.
The pet passport rules have always been retarded by the way.
What's to consult about? The dog is travelling to the UK with a UK-issued EU passport, therefore surely UK rules apply, not French? As far as the UK rules are concerned, nothing has changed since Brexit when bringing a dog from the EU to the UK (the only changes are in the other direction).
Travelling to and from the United Kingdom with your pet after Brexit
If you want to bring pets from the EU to the United Kingdom, nothing has changed after 1 January 2021. By pets we mean cats, dogs and ferrets.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:37 am
How is that a surprise? When we were in the EU the French invented rules when it suited them. Now we are out they are still doing it.
'You' wanted independence, this is what it feels like. 'You' don't get to be consulted first.
The pet passport rules have always been retarded by the way.
What's to consult about? The dog is travelling to the UK with a UK-issued EU passport, therefore surely UK rules apply, not French? As far as the UK rules are concerned, nothing has changed since Brexit when bringing a dog from the EU to the UK (the only changes are in the other direction).
Travelling to and from the United Kingdom with your pet after Brexit
If you want to bring pets from the EU to the United Kingdom, nothing has changed after 1 January 2021. By pets we mean cats, dogs and ferrets.
That sounds like some over-zealous border official playing the little tin God. When travelling from UK to EU, EU rules apply which (since Jan 2021) mean a valid AHC (Animal health Certificate). On the way back, UK rules apply.
Having said that, I've been trying (and failing) to get an EU-issued Pet Passport for our cat, if only to save me the cost of an AHC (£120 a pop) every time we visit France.
If you say so fella.
