If we were to rejoin the EU tomorrow, what benefits would you miss most about Brexit?

[demographic]

It will be a cold day in hell before the ones that took the Brexit maggot, hook line and sinker, even contemplate, never mind admit, that they bought (and tried very hard to re-sell in a very aggressive way) a complete pup. They come up with reasons that were never in the debate, talk about a long term project, forget how abusive they were, ask us to stop talking about it and that we have to dig in and help make it work and they're the ones that thought, lo! 'taking back control' meant giving it to a competent authority

The day that one of them on here considers, even vaguely, that they made a mistake and screwed us all up then, maybe, we can stop pointing and laughing at the ridiculous wriggling, posturing and whataboutery that seems to be the order of the day,

Until then, you won...get over it.

Nail, head, on.

[Ant]

Forget how abusive they were? You've got to be joking, it were the remainers who got abusive and vitriolic over their little elite unelected EU cult

[Horse]

Don't worry, Ant, the Brexiteers can soon take back control of the thread

[Ant]

Control? Nah, it's the remoaners who want control of what other people do and think

It's not far off a decade and they're still trying it on

[irie]

I'm getting notes of bitterness and sour grapes from the brexiteers now.

Green shoots of change getting you worried?

It will be a cold day in hell before the ones that took the Brexit maggot, hook line and sinker, even contemplate, never mind admit, that they bought (and tried very hard to re-sell in a very aggressive way) a complete pup. They come up with reasons that were never in the debate, talk about a long term project, forget how abusive they were, ask us to stop talking about it and that we have to dig in and help make it work and they're the ones that thought, lo! 'taking back control' meant giving it to a competent authority

The day that one of them on here considers, even vaguely, that they made a mistake and screwed us all up then, maybe, we can stop pointing and laughing at the ridiculous wriggling, posturing and whataboutery that seems to be the order of the day,

Until then, you won...get over it.

Of course you have a perfect right to keep on talking about it between yourselves, as the rest of us just get on with our lives. Ciao.

[Horse]

I'm getting notes of bitterness and sour grapes from the brexiteers now.

Green shoots of change getting you worried?

Facts

Of course you have a perfect right to keep on talking about it between yourselves, as the rest of us just get on with our lives. Ciao.

If there were any great tangible benefits for the country, there's one person we could rely on to post chapter, verse and links.

Fact

[demographic]

Facts

Of course you have a perfect right to keep on talking about it between yourselves, as the rest of us just get on with our lives. Ciao.

If there were any great tangible benefits for the country, there's one person we could rely on to post chapter, verse and links.

Fact

But somehow seems unable to bring the facts to the fore.
Fact.

Just get over it, sheesh.

[Ant]

Now that, is pure poetry.

[DefTrap]

We've already mentioned unskilled people and blue collar workers getting more wages, more money being kept in the UK, UK business opportunities now imports are less attractive, a boost to UK tourism and leisure, food and energy being reviewed in a different light so now we know we must be more sustainable, the farming industry being highlighted as a place that needs investment because it was artificially propped up, etc.

It's like dining on breadcrumbs from the feast.

Better wages for the unskilled - yeah if you send home half the workforce that will happen, eventually. Worth also pointing out numerous businesses were killed by wage rises but I guess as long as it's not yours.
Imports less attractive - yeah, screw the businesses and workers doing the importing. And forget the lie that overall British trade would boom. And make it sound like you planned all along that the UK would be forced to internalise and dress it up as a boost.
And the UK leisure industry getting a boost? Post covid rebound is the most likely reason.

But yeah keep spinning. I'll give you artic drivers and coffee shop workers though. Win.

[demographic]

Nice of the Russian oligarchs and hedge fund managers to pay for the Brexit campaign so the blue collar workers and British poor could benefit from it eh.

[Ant]

Nice of the Russian oligarchs and hedge fund managers to pay for the Brexit campaign so the blue collar workers and British poor could benefit from it eh.

That ole fairy tale conspiracy......

Meanwhile trade unions and labour still benefit from russian money....

[Ant]

It's terrible that we can't exploit people from poor countries by paying them very little because cheap EU workers chose to go home rather than using the choice to stay. Poor Timothy and Rosie will have to dig deeper for their soya latte and and granola snack bar of self righteousness.

[demographic]

Nice of the Russian oligarchs and hedge fund managers to pay for the Brexit campaign so the blue collar workers and British poor could benefit from it eh.

That ole fairy tale conspiracy......

Meanwhile trade unions and labour still benefit from russian money....

Not so much nowadays, labour seems to get a fair bit of cash from the betting "industry" which I'm no fan of either as I see the bookies as leeches sucking from the mentally needy but that fights for another day in a couple of years when Labour is more likely to be in power.

[Hoonercat]

But yeah keep spinning. I'll give you artic drivers and coffee shop workers though. Win.

I don't. Latest ONS figures show there are more EU HGV drivers working in the UK than in 2015, before the Brexit vote. Over the same period, the number of domestic HGV drivers has decreased by approx 50,000. But yeah, wages have gone up because we sent the buggers home.

[MyLittleStudPony]

But yeah keep spinning. I'll give you artic drivers and coffee shop workers though. Win.

I don't. Latest ONS figures show there are more EU HGV drivers working in the UK than in 2015, before the Brexit vote. Over the same period, the number of domestic HGV drivers has decreased by approx 50,000. But yeah, wages have gone up because we sent the buggers home.

Leftist fake news. Believe the tabloids. Defend the statues. Getting it done and sending them back.

[Taipan]

I don't think i'd miss anything about Brexit as it hasn't affected me tbh. All the talk of Brit tourists being stopped in France and crossing there and back being a nightmare didn't happen. We crossed to France the same as we always have and drove on all different types of roads, through cities, towns and villages with no problem.

I still import stuff the same as before. I'll also be able to shop tax free on some items when in Europe now, cheaper exhaust for my Tmax! Brexit is a non event for me. If something has changed for the worse, this man in the street is unaware of it!

[Kneerly Down]

I don't. Latest ONS figures show there are more EU HGV drivers working in the UK than in 2015, before the Brexit vote. Over the same period, the number of domestic HGV drivers has decreased by approx 50,000. But yeah, wages have gone up because we sent the buggers home.

Can you post a link to that.
A quick search shows me data up to the end of 2021 and it states 30% less EU drivers operating HGVs in the UK compared to prior years.

You're both right.
There were 20k EU HGV drivers in 2015, going up to 40k in both 2017 and 2019 but dropping to 28k in 2021.
My HGV driving brother noticed his wages go up very substantially when the EU numbers dropped, but also noticed it going up when c.30k potential new HGV drivers were unable to get through to the marketplace because testing stopped during lockdowns.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... ationality

[DefTrap]

I'm in Spain at the moment by the way. Fookin ell they know how to live. Cheap beer n food n sunshine. I meant to take some photos of all the tomatoes.

[cheb]

The tomatoes thing is curious, there's not been a shortage here and there plenty on a smaller island in the archipelago when I went there last week.

[Hoonercat]

I don't. Latest ONS figures show there are more EU HGV drivers working in the UK than in 2015, before the Brexit vote. Over the same period, the number of domestic HGV drivers has decreased by approx 50,000. But yeah, wages have gone up because we sent the buggers home.

Can you post a link to that.
A quick search shows me data up to the end of 2021 and it states 30% less EU drivers operating HGVs in the UK compared to prior years.

You're both right.
There were 20k EU HGV drivers in 2015, going up to 40k in both 2017 and 2019 but dropping to 28k in 2021.
My HGV driving brother noticed his wages go up very substantially when the EU and domestic numbers dropped, but also noticed it going up when c.30k potential new HGV drivers were unable to get through to the marketplace because testing stopped during lockdowns.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlab ... ationality

ftfy It's a bugbear of mine, attributing the salary rise to 12k EU drivers leaving, while ignoring that almost 50k domestic drivers left the industry over the same period
I guess we can all interpret figures in different ways. My reading is that while Brexit and Covid had a part to play, the main driver (heehee) is the drop in domestic drivers and pressure exerted by the huge media attention.
Pleased for your brother, decent wages for HGV drivers are long overdue