KTM 890SMT

[Dodgy69]

Looks pretty much like everything else in that category. Good motor though.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I'd be surprised if the eventual styling was anything like any of the iterations shown. The bike is a test mule and the styling won't be finalised until the bike is launched officially. They also seem to evaluating different suspension options, hence different ride heights. I'm just quite pleased that the SMT concept is making a return. It always struck me as one of KTM's better ideas.

KTM aren't the first to make a touring supermoto, the Cagiva Supercity and Gran Canyon predate it by quite a bit.

The Supercity is a 125cc 2T, so hardly comparable and the Gran Canyon's a re-badged Ducati from a time when their reliability was very suspect. You also need to regularly throw cam belts at it, which gets tiresome and expensive. I never claimed KTM were the first to make a touring supermoto, just that I'm glad that the concept is making a return to their lineup.

So you never said "It always struck me as one of KTM's better ideas"

[mangocrazy]

KTM aren't the first to make a touring supermoto, the Cagiva Supercity and Gran Canyon predate it by quite a bit.

The Supercity is a 125cc 2T, so hardly comparable and the Gran Canyon's a re-badged Ducati from a time when their reliability was very suspect. You also need to regularly throw cam belts at it, which gets tiresome and expensive. I never claimed KTM were the first to make a touring supermoto, just that I'm glad that the concept is making a return to their lineup.

So you never said "It always struck me as one of KTM's better ideas"

Of course I said that, but I wasn't trying to make out they were the first to come up with that idea, just that at some point they decided to produce a model of that type.

Besides, the Gran Canyon isn't a touring supermoto, it's an early stab at what would eventually come to fruition as a Multistrada, so your original suggestion wasn't even accurate.

[Supermofo]

My mate has a 990SMT, good bike, looks better than the new one too.

[Demannu]

I'd be surprised if the eventual styling was anything like any of the iterations shown. The bike is a test mule and the styling won't be finalised until the bike is launched officially. They also seem to evaluating different suspension options, hence different ride heights. I'm just quite pleased that the SMT concept is making a return. It always struck me as one of KTM's better ideas.

KTM aren't the first to make a touring supermoto, the Cagiva Supercity and Gran Canyon predate it by quite a bit.

The Supercity is a 125cc 2T, so hardly comparable and the Gran Canyon's a re-badged Ducati from a time when their reliability was very suspect. You also need to regularly throw cam belts at it, which gets tiresome and expensive. I never claimed KTM were the first to make a touring supermoto, just that I'm glad that the concept is making a return to their lineup.

Touring supermoto yuuursaid
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3bGHs6rMAYuqqS9o7

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Touring supermoto yuuursaid
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3bGHs6rMAYuqqS9o7

I went to Holland / Belgium and Wales on my 610, it made a reasonable touring bike, it was definitely a fun touring bike, I didn't take that much shite, just a rucksack with a few clothes.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Besides, the Gran Canyon isn't a touring supermoto, it's an early stab at what would eventually come to fruition as a Multistrada, so your original suggestion wasn't even accurate.

Isn't a Multistrada pretty much the definition of a touring supermoto?

[Demannu]

Touring supermoto yuuursaid
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3bGHs6rMAYuqqS9o7

I went to Holland / Belgium and Wales on my 610, it made a reasonable touring bike, it was definitely a fun touring bike, I didn't take that much shite, just a rucksack with a few clothes.

That was 2 up btw, camping. My stuff fitted in one of the throw overs!

[mangocrazy]

Besides, the Gran Canyon isn't a touring supermoto, it's an early stab at what would eventually come to fruition as a Multistrada, so your original suggestion wasn't even accurate.

Isn't a Multistrada pretty much the definition of a touring supermoto?

Er, no. And the Gran Canyon had a 19" front wheel, which rules it out of any Supermoto/Supermotard comparisons. To cater for that segment of the market, Ducati brought out the Hypermotard.

[KungFooBob]

The Hyperstrada was the Ducati touring SM

[mangocrazy]

I think it just illustrates that the whole market around adventure/touring/supermoto (and probably others I've missed) is rife with crossover as everyone is trying to appeal to the widest possible audience. And as such the offerings are evolving as the manufacturers chase market share. What you call them gets harder by the day.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Besides, the Gran Canyon isn't a touring supermoto, it's an early stab at what would eventually come to fruition as a Multistrada, so your original suggestion wasn't even accurate.

Isn't a Multistrada pretty much the definition of a touring supermoto?

Er, no. And the Gran Canyon had a 19" front wheel, which rules it out of any Supermoto/Supermotard comparisons. To cater for that segment of the market, Ducati brought out the Hypermotard.

The first Supermotos had 19" front wheels

[mangocrazy]

Nope. 17" wheels were one of the identifying characteristics of SMs. This is the first article I found when Googling 'Supermoto origins':

https://www.dirtlegal.com/blog/2018/1/5 ... -supermoto

I'm sure you'll be able to find something which proves the opposite.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I don't need to find anything, the first Supermotos were either flat trackers or 500 MX bikes with flat track wheels and tyres, I remember the races on World of Sport

[mangocrazy]

Ever since sports bikes moved to 17" wheels in the late 80s/early 90s supermotos have followed suit, as they use the same sports/racing tyres. So trying to make out that a late 90s adventure bike with a 19" front wheel is a touring supermoto is a bit silly.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Ever since sports bikes moved to 17" wheels in the late 80s/early 90s supermotos have followed suit, as they use the same sports/racing tyres. So trying to make out that a late 90s adventure bike with a 19" front wheel is a touring supermoto is a bit silly.

You've beaten me down, I've ceased to care.

[Demannu]

Just to throw a spanner in there.
Just watched WWoS superbiker episode.
The flat track boys used 19" fronts
Lawson looked to be using a far smaller front wheel on his crosser

[Count Steer]

Ever since sports bikes moved to 17" wheels in the late 80s/early 90s supermotos have followed suit, as they use the same sports/racing tyres. So trying to make out that a late 90s adventure bike with a 19" front wheel is a touring supermoto is a bit silly.

You've beaten me down, I've ceased to care.

You guys could find a fight in a phone box.

[weeksy]

Come on boys, stop being wankers about it

[mangocrazy]

I think we've both got bored with it and stopped. I know I have. And there was nothing unpleasant about it, so what's the problem?