If The Unthinkable Happens.

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If The Unthinkable Happens.

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Blimey. If MM jumps ship it will stir things up.
Honda don't like to lose face.

Who'll want to ride the Honda?

Ducati will have most of the big hitters.
If the Fab Frog follows, it will be a 1 make series.

The Japs are not happy methinks.


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I'd love him to leave Honda before the thing ends his career through injury. He's a mega talent weighed down by having to ride a camel for years.
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To KTM and win the title
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weeksy wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:51 pm To KTM and win the title
I'm sure they'd pay handsomely ;)
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I'm not sure who would want to pay for him. Ducati was the obvious choice, however they have bucket loads of young talent on their books, and talent that can win races/championships. Why would they want/need an old bloke (relatively)?

KTM would be no better than the current Honda; Yamaha I don't think would suit his riding style. There's also the small issue of him being sponsored by Redbull, and Yamaha using Monster.

Aprillia would be the most likely, I think, if they can afford him. Their bike is there, they just need someone with that little bit extra to make it win more consistently.
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Who'd want him, they've all got riders that can win, why pay big money for someone who's only won on a Honda?
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This year really will tell us whether MM is still the Big Dog that everone has to beat, or whether the pack has caught him up and (perhaps) passed him. Anno Domini waits for no man; he's had best part of two years out and has had some dark moments of the soul in his rehabilitation. That will weigh on him. He's not the carefree 20 year old that burst onto the MotoGP scene a decade ago, he's now one of the old guard.

And he'll be 30 in a few day's time.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:20 pm Who'd want him, they've all got riders that can win, why pay big money for someone who's only won on a Honda?
Mick Doohan did OK on Hondas
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:20 pm Who'd want him, they've all got riders that can win, why pay big money for someone who's only won on a Honda?
I'm sure that's just you looking for a reaction, but it's such a bloody daft statement if it's not :D
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Can't see him getting a works Ducati or a Yamaha, and I don't think KTM would be a fit somehow. Perhaps Aprilia could find enough budget for him in Viñales' place? I'd really like to see that, actually.
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mangocrazy wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:32 pm This year really will tell us whether MM is still the Big Dog that everone has to beat, or whether the pack has caught him up and (perhaps) passed him. Anno Domini waits for no man; he's had best part of two years out and has had some dark moments of the soul in his rehabilitation. That will weigh on him. He's not the carefree 20 year old that burst onto the MotoGP scene a decade ago, he's now one of the old guard.

And he'll be 30 in a few day's time.
At the moment it's not looking great for him. He's already said that the Honda is still a way off from the competition. If Honda can give him a bike that he's comfortable on then I still think he's got another championship in him; it'll not be a demolition job like in previous years, but I still think he has at least one. If the bike remains uncompetitive then I don't think he'll be as willing to put it all on the line in order to make up the deficit - it's been interesting reading the interviews with him about the last 2 years and he admits it was a dark place at times.
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weeksy wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:17 am
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:20 pm Who'd want him, they've all got riders that can win, why pay big money for someone who's only won on a Honda?
I'm sure that's just you looking for a reaction, but it's such a bloody daft statement if it's not :D
Who's going to employ him?
He's been at Honda forever and Honda have built a bike around him, and he's whingeing it isn't good enough.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:16 pm
weeksy wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:17 am
Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:20 pm Who'd want him, they've all got riders that can win, why pay big money for someone who's only won on a Honda?
I'm sure that's just you looking for a reaction, but it's such a bloody daft statement if it's not :D
Who's going to employ him?
He's been at Honda forever and Honda have built a bike around him, and he's whingeing it isn't good enough.
Well they have and haven't.... because he's hardly ridden it and even when he has, he was injured. Bikes are not developed around a rider now, they're 1 year hit/miss, every year they're new... New frame, swingarm, engine, so i'm not going with 'been built around him'

Simple fact is, as proven by the fact everyone else is bloody rubbish on it, the Honda isn't good enough. If it were, someone else would be getting better on it by now. There's no team where just 1 rider can ride the bike well.

Even when the Prila was thought to be that, Maverick came in and went fast in many sessions.
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:16 pm Who's going to employ him?
He's been at Honda forever and Honda have built a bike around him, and he's whingeing it isn't good enough.
Honda don't 'build a bike around' anyone. Their engineers decide on the direction and the rider has to adapt to it. They may make minor concessions, but generally the factory sets the development direction, not the riders. See some of Cal's comments if you want proof. When MM was younger, crazier and undamaged he could adapt to the bike in a way no-one else could, and this meant that Honda knew they could still win as long as Marquez could work his magic.

Now it's all fallen apart big time. The bike is a camel (relatively speaking), the factory don't seem to have a clue what to do and Marquez is now aware of his mortality. He's still as good as anyone out there, but others have caught up and he's had two shit years.
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New series on Amazon about MM. The program is a bit of a mess, flicking from one year, forward to another, then back several years before going forward a few years. It really needed to be in a more chronological order to make more sense of his career.

No matter, it just shows what a battering his body and eyesight have had over the years. He should really listen to the advice given to him by his grandfather
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Whysub wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:00 pm New series on Amazon about MM. The program is a bit of a mess, flicking from one year, forward to another, then back several years before going forward a few years. It really needed to be in a more chronological order to make more sense of his career.

No matter, it just shows what a battering his body and eyesight have had over the years. He should really listen to the advice given to him by his grandfather
I once saw a short film about top ex racers. They all showed some horrific scars and wounds. You need to push the limit to reach the top.
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Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:24 pm
Whysub wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:00 pm New series on Amazon about MM. The program is a bit of a mess, flicking from one year, forward to another, then back several years before going forward a few years. It really needed to be in a more chronological order to make more sense of his career.

No matter, it just shows what a battering his body and eyesight have had over the years. He should really listen to the advice given to him by his grandfather
I once saw a short film about top ex racers. They all showed some horrific scars and wounds. You need to push the limit to reach the top.
Doohan is the prime example of that mindset. His ankle was reset in a position to allow him to race,but he couldn't walk properly,or run. After his career was over he had it broken and reset so he could walk.

These are the type of guys you have to beat if you go racing.
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Skub wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:03 pm
Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:24 pm
Whysub wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:00 pm New series on Amazon about MM. The program is a bit of a mess, flicking from one year, forward to another, then back several years before going forward a few years. It really needed to be in a more chronological order to make more sense of his career.

No matter, it just shows what a battering his body and eyesight have had over the years. He should really listen to the advice given to him by his grandfather
I once saw a short film about top ex racers. They all showed some horrific scars and wounds. You need to push the limit to reach the top.
Doohan is the prime example of that mindset. His ankle was reset in a position to allow him to race,but he couldn't walk properly,or run. After his career was over he had it broken and reset so he could walk.

These are the type of guys you have to beat if you go racing.
Yup. They're tough
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Yorick wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:24 pm
Whysub wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:00 pm New series on Amazon about MM. The program is a bit of a mess, flicking from one year, forward to another, then back several years before going forward a few years. It really needed to be in a more chronological order to make more sense of his career.

No matter, it just shows what a battering his body and eyesight have had over the years. He should really listen to the advice given to him by his grandfather
I once saw a short film about top ex racers. They all showed some horrific scars and wounds. You need to push the limit to reach the top.
The documentary on Marquez, if you havent already seen it, shows him after a meeting with Honda and holding up his arm to show the horrendous scar after the final operation and said "This wasnt for pleasure, it was to win"

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