Walkout Wednesday! I'm on strike!

[Count Steer]

One of the wifes customers is a teacher. She is a scab as she went to work but the Union told her to as she is about to go on maternity leave and striking may effect her money. She had a quiet day and sent home early.

"a scab"

Isn't that kind of old fashioned hate speak in this new all inclusive world?

It's what they call someone who is prepared to work for a living.

Roy Link walks among us.

[Docca]

The NHS is now in a workforce crisis, particularly with nurses. Whilst a pay lift will help those currently in post, it’s also about making these professions have the right incentives to make folk want to join ( and stay).

That’s a safety issue. Not enough staff means a reduction in care, much longer waits (if you’re seen at all) and improvements in tackling and planning for your future health- not just responding when you’re on fire.

I find it interesting that statements are being made about investment. Particularly up against the billions of public money we’ve thrown at moody PPE contracts etc.

Then we’re moaning about pensions ( which have changed btw) like it’s some kind of race to the bottom and you can only ‘win’ if you’re more fucked over than the next person? Doesn’t say much about values and a society we want to live in.

The there is the fact that not only are a considerable number of NHS services not available on the private sector- even if they were , you still have a workforce challenge. The private sector don’t train doctors and nurses.

[Mussels]

The NHS certainly has staff issues, if I was 18 and looking for a well trained career then nursing wouldn't be on the list.
The RN had similar staff issues, mediocre pay didn't help but the main cause was shitty conditions and the only light at the end of the tunnel was the pension. The pension wasn't good enough for that so they offered retention bonuses, they were a bit mediocre as well.

I don't know if the NHS did similar with outsourcing cushy jobs. The RN used to have a 100 sailors doing 50 good jobs and 50 rubbish ones, so you'd look forward to the cushy job while on a rubbish one. Then they discovered they could outsource the cushy jobs to civvies and expected 50 sailors to be happy doing rubbish jobs all the time.

[asmethurst99]

The NHS is now in a workforce crisis, particularly with nurses. Whilst a pay lift will help those currently in post, it’s also about making these professions have the right incentives to make folk want to join ( and stay).

That’s a safety issue. Not enough staff means a reduction in care, much longer waits (if you’re seen at all) and improvements in tackling and planning for your future health- not just responding when you’re on fire.

I find it interesting that statements are being made about investment. Particularly up against the billions of public money we’ve thrown at moody PPE contracts etc.

Then we’re moaning about pensions ( which have changed btw) like it’s some kind of race to the bottom and you can only ‘win’ if you’re more fucked over than the next person? Doesn’t say much about values and a society we want to live in.

The there is the fact that not only are a considerable number of NHS services not available on the private sector- even if they were , you still have a workforce challenge. The private sector don’t train doctors and nurses.

We’ve had lots of resignations - I couldn’t say why they’ve resigned or where they’ve gone but I suspect Docca,s comments re incentives have something to do with it.
I don’t know how we square the circle - Money is part of it

[Yorick]

Pen's away for 2 weeks so gonna attack the outside painting.
Bought 3 x 20L painting tubs.

Wasn't in the mood so did it in reverse for a change.
Always do prep and fiddly bits first.
Today, just slap plenty on and do other stuff manana

I slapped 20 litres on. Now beer in sunshine in town.

[Count Steer]

The NHS certainly has staff issues, if I was 18 and looking for a well trained career then nursing wouldn't be on the list.
The RN had similar staff issues, mediocre pay didn't help but the main cause was shitty conditions and the only light at the end of the tunnel was the pension. The pension wasn't good enough for that so they offered retention bonuses, they were a bit mediocre as well.

Dunno if you've watched the The Warship thing on Beeb2 but, unless you're a flyboy or involved in keeping the 'planes in the air on an aircraft carrier, you'd better be comfortable living 'underground'. I wonder if the other 2000 on board get vitamin D jabs? It's a pretty good watch...what happened during Covid with staff confined 8 to a room etc is

I guess that although the pay might be poor, until they dock there's nothing to spend it on and you have 'free' accommodation and food. Nurses don't have that.

It's quite a good, warts n' all programme but it certainly wouldn't make me want to join the Navy! (Definitely not on a floating airstrip).

[Mussels]

The NHS certainly has staff issues, if I was 18 and looking for a well trained career then nursing wouldn't be on the list.
The RN had similar staff issues, mediocre pay didn't help but the main cause was shitty conditions and the only light at the end of the tunnel was the pension. The pension wasn't good enough for that so they offered retention bonuses, they were a bit mediocre as well.

Dunno if you've watched the The Warship thing on Beeb2 but, unless you're a flyboy or involved in keeping the 'planes in the air on an aircraft carrier, you'd better be comfortable living 'underground'. I wonder if the other 2000 on board get vitamin D jabs? It's a pretty good watch...what happened during Covid with staff confined 8 to a room etc is

I guess that although the pay might be poor, until they dock there's nothing to spend it on and you have 'free' accommodation and food. Nurses don't have that.

It's quite a good, warts n' all programme but it certainly wouldn't make me want to join the Navy! (Definitely not on a floating airstrip).

I can't watch it, I keep thinking 'that wouldn't happen without the cameras there'.
You only get free food & accommodation on a sea going ship but the accommodation is a terrible standard, probably only trumped by the army on exercises. What adult wants to share a room with random people?
The shoreside food and accommodation isn't much better and it's not cheap. The worst combination doesn't happen a lot but you can get charged for living on a ship that doesn't move.
At least in the RN I never had to pay to park at work.

[Taipan]

I had my knee replaced in Nuffield which is a private hospital. Most of the Nurses I chatted with were ex-NHS. A summary would be they were all pissed off at the lack of resources more than anything else, including pay. Apparently, they are always short of something and borrowing kit from other depts etc? Well intentioned people in a soul-destroying environment!

[irie]

I had my knee replaced in Nuffield which is a private hospital. Most of the Nurses I chatted with were ex-NHS. A summary would be they were all pissed off at the lack of resources more than anything else, including pay. Apparently, they are always short of something and borrowing kit from other depts etc? Well intentioned people in a soul-destroying environment!

My wife trained in the NHS (is a RGN) but left because she could see the writing on the wall and retrained as an OHA (Occupational Health Advisor). She now has her own business which I helped set up for her and for which I am a partner (LLP).

She says she left when the NHS was being turned over to bureaucrats and ceasing to be nurse centred. Dealt a fatal blow when nursing became degree only (in 2009?) which spelt the death of nursing as a vocation.

The NHS was failing decades ago, Covid has fatally accelerated its decline. The model was created over 75 years ago, and you can chuck more and more money at it but won't reverse its decline because the model no longer serves the needs of today's society. The model is fatally obsolete.

[Taipan]

I had my knee replaced in Nuffield which is a private hospital. Most of the Nurses I chatted with were ex-NHS. A summary would be they were all pissed off at the lack of resources more than anything else, including pay. Apparently, they are always short of something and borrowing kit from other depts etc? Well intentioned people in a soul-destroying environment!

My wife trained in the NHS (is a RGN) but left because she could see the writing on the wall and retrained as an OHA (Occupational Health Advisor). She now has her own business which I helped set up for her and for which I am a partner (LLP).

She says she left when the NHS was being turned over to bureaucrats and ceasing to be nurse centred. Dealt a fatal blow when nursing became degree only (in 2009?) which spelt the death of nursing as a vocation.

The NHS was failing decades ago, Covid has fatally accelerated its decline. The model was created over 75 years ago, and you can chuck more and more money at it but won't reverse its decline because the model no longer serves the needs of today's society. The model is fatally obsolete.

Yup, even Starmer said it needs rebuilding!

[demographic]

Not quite the same thing at this end but...
Lad at work tested positive for Covid yesterday, wore a mask for the rest of the day cos hes got to get home as well. He's an apprentice so comes here on the bus but goes home on one of the vans.
No issues with that, but he's back today now. So we're working with olsomeone whoe testing positive and one of the lads has to fucking well drive him home again.

He's either not here tomorrow or I'm on another site so I'll more or less be on strike.
There's enough other sites to go to and I'm happy to come back when he's not testing positive.

[Mussels]

If you force the guy to stay at home all he will learn is not to tell anyone he has covid.

[Yorick]

If you force the guy to stay at home all he will learn is not to tell anyone he has covid.

The management should take responsibility.

[gremlin]

Not quite the same thing at this end but...
Lad at work tested positive for Covid yesterday, wore a mask for the rest of the day cos hes got to get home as well. He's an apprentice so comes here on the bus but goes home on one of the vans.
No issues with that, but he's back today now. So we're working with olsomeone whoe testing positive and one of the lads has to fucking well drive him home again.

He's either not here tomorrow or I'm on another site so I'll more or less be on strike.
There's enough other sites to go to and I'm happy to come back when he's not testing positive.

That'll teach him not to take a test.

[demographic]

The lads an employed apprentice, take more than three days off and he gets sick pay and be lives with his parents and I doubt he will struggle too hard.
I took a test this morning and if it had turned out positive I'd take time off work til it was negative.
I expect that courtesy from the people around me.

If he comes in positive and gives it to me it costs me money in days off and if the site agent had the brains he was born with he'd realise that.
As it is I'm still clear so can just work on another site til the issue is sorted.

Deffo put the feline amongst the avians when I told the gaffa I was onto another site for the rest of the week though.

[MrLongbeard]

I took a test this morning

Why?

[gremlin]

The lads an employed apprentice, take more than three days off and he gets sick pay and be lives with his parents and I doubt he will struggle too hard.
I took a test this morning and if it had turned out positive I'd take time off work til it was negative.
I expect that courtesy from the people around me.

If he comes in positive and gives it to me it costs me money in days off and if the site agent had the brains he was born with he'd realise that.
As it is I'm still clear so can just work on another site til the issue is sorted.

Deffo put the feline amongst the avians when I told the gaffa I was onto another site for the rest of the week though.

Fuss over nothing.



By coincidence, I received an internal email today with the phrase, 'Given the current COVID-19 situation, this review will be carried out remotely...'

I was tempted to reply asking what exactly the current COVID-19 situation was, then realised I had better things to do than interact with a socially-retarded auditor.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

wear nappies on your face and drown yourself in alcohol

Do you wake up with the taste of rohypnol in your mouth and the smell of vaseline in your nose if you do that?

[Docca]

My wife trained in the NHS (is a RGN) but left because she could see the writing on the wall and retrained as an OHA (Occupational Health Advisor). She now has her own business which I helped set up for her and for which I am a partner (LLP).

She says she left when the NHS was being turned over to bureaucrats and ceasing to be nurse centred. Dealt a fatal blow when nursing became degree only (in 2009?) which spelt the death of nursing as a vocation.

The NHS was failing decades ago, Covid has fatally accelerated its decline. The model was created over 75 years ago, and you can chuck more and more money at it but won't reverse its decline because the model no longer serves the needs of today's society. The model is fatally obsolete.

So the bureaucrat point has been made for decades. Since at least the 1980s, but it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say it's further back than that.

The '80s in particular (and in particular in general nursing) brought in a proliferation of models, which were often misunderstood or poorly applied (they were guides and frameworks, not doctrines).

One of the challenges is that the delivery of health and care has matured. It's no longer convalescing in a cottage in Devon for a couple of weeks by the sea. The tripple whammy of illnesses being better understood, treatments becoming more advanced (including technically) and workforce (both shortages and people wanting to advance and prove they can take on additional responsibilities) has meant you need a benchmark to ensure you have people of the right intellectual standing taking up nursing roles.

More traditional doctor roles are now the remit of nurses and nurse specialists, including investigations through to surgery etc. It was arguably 'project 2000' ( In the 1990s) that moved nursing away from purely bum wiping and hand holding, and made a deliberate shift to 50% theory and 50% practical. This was a diploma course and caused uproar from the 'enrolled nurses' from the '70's and '80s. There was even a clamber by some MPs to 'bring back matron' and white gloves etc.

I didn't get degree in nursing, I got a diploma. I've since got various additional qualifications, but I think that's a by product of my interests that have been largely experience based.

I don't now, nor have I ever seen Nursing as a vocation. It's a profession, with a professional body and standards that are expected. People have fought hard to make it so. It's not perfect, but it's a damned deal better than being seen as a part-time/martyr/volunteer. If you look at the elsewhere in Europe, Australia and the US- Nursing is even celebrated as a profession.

[gremlin]

What i do know is that Mrs. G has gone deaf in her left ear. After scrabbling for GP appointments and referrals, she has an appointment at the local hospital's audiology dept. for January 2024. Fuck it, we'll pay for private.

Show me anybody, other than those who receive emergency care, who can say they are happy with the service that they are paying for. The NHS is sinking and it's dragging the country down with it.


Edit: Not really the right thread for the above, so apologies. Except for Tiepin, who's probably still on bloody strike, the lay git.