Energy bills

[MrLongbeard]

Glad I'm not the only one who's graphed energy use compared to last year - December usage was 76% electric / 96% gas and combined cost was 202%.

Sorry, it is just you, mine are just what Shell generate and throw up on my account page

[cheb]

I don't graph it but I do have a spreadsheet of monthly meter readings.

[irie]

Sorry, it is just you, mine are just what Shell generate and throw up on my account page

Ditto.

[Supermofo]

That's good news, over a quarter of energy from wind

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-64179918

That'll lead to lower pric....... oh no wait, its all owned by foreign companies so makes fuck all difference

[Kneerly Down]

That'll lead to lower pric....... oh no wait, its all owned by foreign companies so makes fuck all difference

In what way does having foreign or domestic companies owning wind farms make a difference to the price?
Although the article says "Sources like wind and solar are also significantly cheaper and should lead to cheaper bills in the long-run." it is by no means a given - indeed, it'd be easy to argue otherwise - that a grid mostly powered by renewables will be cheaper than if powered by gas and coal.
Wind and solar are 'cheaper' than gas, mostly, when comparing wind and solar power generation that has to be taken whenever it produces power vs gas that will only be bought when it is 'asked' to produce.
Just now, gas powered turbines are generating under 3.5GW. When the air was still, they were generating around 25GW.
If you are running plants that are 50% utilised then you have to charge a lot more than if they are 90% utilised. You'll need to charge an awful lot more when they are 5% utilised, and for the green power sources you either have to pay to store when they're generating more than demanded or pay them not to generate...either is going to be expensive.

[MyLittleStudPony]

It's going to be expensive whatever now.

A nice new carbon tax is on the way.

The polluters will pay.

[Supermofo]

That'll lead to lower pric....... oh no wait, its all owned by foreign companies so makes fuck all difference

In what way does having foreign or domestic companies owning wind farms make a difference to the price?
Although the article says "Sources like wind and solar are also significantly cheaper and should lead to cheaper bills in the long-run." it is by no means a given - indeed, it'd be easy to argue otherwise - that a grid mostly powered by renewables will be cheaper than if powered by gas and coal.
Wind and solar are 'cheaper' than gas, mostly, when comparing wind and solar power generation that has to be taken whenever it produces power vs gas that will only be bought when it is 'asked' to produce.
Just now, gas powered turbines are generating under 3.5GW. When the air was still, they were generating around 25GW.
If you are running plants that are 50% utilised then you have to charge a lot more than if they are 90% utilised. You'll need to charge an awful lot more when they are 5% utilised, and for the green power sources you either have to pay to store when they're generating more than demanded or pay them not to generate...either is going to be expensive.

On the basis that the Danish and Norwegian governments own more of our wind farms than the British do. And there must be a benefit to that.

https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half- ... s-12705500

[Kneerly Down]

I can't see any UK government entity doing offshore wind cheaper, faster and 'fairer' than the current operators.
In any event, faster doesn't tend to mean cheaper in offshore wind...quite the opposite.

[Kneerly Down]

Is there light at the end of the current energy price crisis?
I mean the really exceptional pricing...prices will still not be at the level they were pre-Covid.

Summer 23 season ahead pricing:


Winter 23:

[the_priest]

Energy companies in the UK have had a taste of massive profit margins, unlikely they will surrender that sweet spot now. We are a cashcow for companies...

[Skub]

Someone must pay for the trendy new 'renewables'.

That'll be us then. From now on.

[MyLittleStudPony]

Someone must pay for the trendy new 'renewables'.

That'll be us then. From now on.

It might be handy to dismiss them an trendy. And put renewables in quotes. But the polluters must pay.

The young will have to deal with the medium to long term consequences. It's only fair the toxic elderly pay something towards the damage they have caused and the profligacy they have profited from.

[Pirahna]

Climate change has been known about for over 150 years. When I came across this I though it was rubbish so fact checked it, all true.

https://theconversation.com/for-110-yea ... ten-188646

[v8-powered]

Just had our bill for 17th Dec to 16th Jan - £605.68

Roll on summer.....

[Count Steer]

Climate change has been known about for over 150 years. When I came across this I though it was rubbish so fact checked it, all true.

https://theconversation.com/for-110-yea ... ten-188646

Some years later, Exxon developed a very accurate model of what was happening and how it was going to pan out...then spent millions of dollars fighting their own science and paying politicians to do the same. (Rather like the tobacco companies fighting against the science linking cancer and tobacco).

Some people think that Greta Thunberg is 'the problem'.

[Yambo]

Greta Thunberg aka MyLittleStudPony and other aliases is just a pain in the arse.

HTH

[Dodgy69]

Dec 17- jan 16 £203.

[Yorick]

Our leccy bill is getting a bit silly. So getting a chap to pop round Saturday to talk about solar power

[mangocrazy]

Our leccy bill is getting a bit silly. So getting a chap to pop round Saturday to talk about solar power

With the amount of solar gain you'll be getting in the Canaries, a half decent PV solar installation would pay for itself in not many years. If you have the roof space, solar thermal (evacuated tubes) for hot water would also be a smart move.

[Yorick]

Our leccy bill is getting a bit silly. So getting a chap to pop round Saturday to talk about solar power

With the amount of solar gain you'll be getting in the Canaries, a half decent PV solar installation would pay for itself in not many years. If you have the roof space, solar thermal (evacuated tubes) for hot water would also be a smart move.

A lot of houses have big water heaters on the roof.
But very few folk have solar for leccy.