Are you saying that the 'functional' covers are actually 'decorative' only, so they only say they're functional but aren't really?
They function as a cover, to cover the gubbins and electrical connections of course.
So this (as quoted ^^^ by Potter) is simply not true in your view....
Integral casing: Many appliances have cases, which in addition to being decorative, function as a part of the combustion circuit and form an important seal around the gas carrying components e.g. burner, combustion chamber, gas valve etc. If removing the case involves undoing a number of screws, this normally means it is a functional case and it should not be removed by the consumer or a person who is not Gas Safe registered.
In my view?
Are you recreating my view to suit? Let's not twist things now.
Bowman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:11 pm
And there's the nub of it. Even taking the case off a lot of balanced flued boilers is classed as working on the gas side. The case forms an important part of the sealing to the room andvis classed as gas work.
No-one is doubting anyone's technical ability but if something happens then the hse and insurance companies will not be impressed.
From my experience pretty much all that goes wrong with the water side, other than the expansion vessel, is accessible with the drop down for the control panel taken off rather than having to do anything with the case around the burner chamber, let alone the chamber itself.
Fiddly, but accessible.
It does annoy me how crap they seem to make the water pumps on gas combi boilers but then they are built to a price and the maxim of "you'd be better off just getting a new boiler installed"
They function as a cover, to cover the gubbins and electrical connections of course.
So this (as quoted ^^^ by Potter) is simply not true in your view....
Integral casing: Many appliances have cases, which in addition to being decorative, function as a part of the combustion circuit and form an important seal around the gas carrying components e.g. burner, combustion chamber, gas valve etc. If removing the case involves undoing a number of screws, this normally means it is a functional case and it should not be removed by the consumer or a person who is not Gas Safe registered.
In my view?
Are you recreating my view to suit? Let's not twist things now.
OK. You are saying that functional casings are purely decorative. Which is clearly wrong.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
So this (as quoted ^^^ by Potter) is simply not true in your view....
Integral casing: Many appliances have cases, which in addition to being decorative, function as a part of the combustion circuit and form an important seal around the gas carrying components e.g. burner, combustion chamber, gas valve etc. If removing the case involves undoing a number of screws, this normally means it is a functional case and it should not be removed by the consumer or a person who is not Gas Safe registered.
In my view?
Are you recreating my view to suit? Let's not twist things now.
OK. You are saying that functional casings are purely decorative. Which is clearly wrong.
What's a guy like me? Someone who showed you that what you said was wrong?
You still have no idea what you're talking about. Go and have another look at the diagrams and try and comprehend them. The case that you remove forms part of the inner combustion chamber.
I did and google images. Both showed the combustion chamber as sealed with the main cosmetic cover off. I said that was the case (pardon the pun) for the Vailant which you suggested I look at, you then said look at a Greenstar, so I did that also.
Jesus wept. With the cover off you're looking at the combustion chamber through a 2 foot square hole where the front cover was. Tell me you can see this.
You still have no idea what you're talking about. Go and have another look at the diagrams and try and comprehend them. The case that you remove forms part of the inner combustion chamber.
I did and google images. Both showed the combustion chamber as sealed with the main cosmetic cover off. I said that was the case (pardon the pun) for the Vailant which you suggested I look at, you then said look at a Greenstar, so I did that also.
Jesus wept. With the cover off you're looking at the combustion chamber through a 2 foot square hole where the front cover was. Tell me you can see this.
Yep, we're looking at a sealed chamber which we will not be opening.
Jesus wept. With the cover off you're looking at the combustion chamber through a 2 foot square hole where the front cover was. Tell me you can see this.
Yep, we're looking at a sealed chamber which we will not be opening.
Did you remove any screws to get that main cover off?
Something being screwed down, that you need tools to remove, is the indicator that only a competent person should take it off.
Wait a min, are you saying that I'm incompetent?!!
No sir, the person who fitted the boiler perhaps forgot to pop the little screws in?
I was almost killed by an incorrectly serviced/fitted/whatever boiler...it had a recent safety certificate granted by the previous home owner (who was also a gas bod) too.
If I'd been up in the loft 1 or 2 minutes longer that'd have been me done. Got away with a bought of mild euphoria and a headache, but fuck me I didn't realise how easy it was to get this ---> <--- close to carking it from something so innocuous.
Potter wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:40 pm
Have you got a Part P to rewire the house? Or an Approved Electrician with a C&G2391 and NICEIC membership?
Separate conversation. But no one has part P, it's simply a building regulation to comply with.
So, what's going to go wrong? You've got me interested now. Perhaps you know of something which happened? Let's stick to what we were talking about before, we can then get into the electrical qualifications high horse later.
So, something may go wrong? Enlighten me, if you will.
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Yep, we're looking at a sealed chamber which we will not be opening.
Did you remove any screws to get that main cover off?
Something being screwed down, that you need tools to remove, is the indicator that only a competent person should take it off.
Wait a min, are you saying that I'm incompetent?!!
So far your only declared qualification is owning a screwdriver.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Did you remove any screws to get that main cover off?
Something being screwed down, that you need tools to remove, is the indicator that only a competent person should take it off.
Wait a min, are you saying that I'm incompetent?!!
So far your only declared qualification is owning a screwdriver.
For now. As I said, we can move onto that later. We're not done yet with the mystical explosion from touching the water.....
Did you remove any screws to get that main cover off?
Something being screwed down, that you need tools to remove, is the indicator that only a competent person should take it off.
Wait a min, are you saying that I'm incompetent?!!
So far your only declared qualification is owning a screwdriver.
Did you remove any screws to get that main cover off?
Something being screwed down, that you need tools to remove, is the indicator that only a competent person should take it off.
Wait a min, are you saying that I'm incompetent?!!
So far your only declared qualification is owning a screwdriver.
Ant wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:44 pm
So, something may go wrong? Enlighten me, if you will.
No.
You can't identify a cover with screws missing, you don't understand the guidance from the GasSafe Register, you don't have the necessary qualifications, you're unwilling to learn anything from skilled people and you're unconsciously incompetent. The only thing I do with people like you if I get to hear about them is to pass down a message to dismiss them because they're a liability.
In the trades you're what is known as an unskilled and unqualified cowboy.
Ant wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:09 pm
There's a lot of assumptions there which are all false.
But you said something will go wrong, I've asked many times, you can't tell me. So did you make that all up?
You don't have the qualifications to work on gas boilers and wire houses.
Don't I?
Potter wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:15 pm
The boiler will blow up, kill you, your family, and a dog that has wandered into your garden by mistake.
Prove it won't, tell me exactly how you will prevent the explosion.
I shall prevent that explosion by not touching the gas.
I'll ask again, how will a boiler explode from touching only water? Do you have any examples?
Are you suggesting that all boilers are so poorly designed, that they will just explode? In that case, any boiler will do that from not even being touched.
Ant wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:18 pm
I shall prevent that explosion by not touching the gas.
I'll ask again, how will a boiler explode from touching only water? Do you have any examples?
Are you suggesting that all boilers are so poorly designed, that they will just explode? In that case, any boiler will do that from not even being touched.
You'll make a mistake because you don't have the proper skills or qualifications.
It will take 12 days, four minutes and nine seconds to blow up because of the mistake.
Tell me how will you prevent it?
I won't make any mistake.
I'll prevent it by not touching the gas.
I'll ask again, how will a boiler explode from touching only water? Do you have any examples?
Are you suggesting that all boilers are so poorly designed, that they will just explode? In that case, any boiler will do that from not even being touched.
By the way, this isn't an argument, it's a technical conversation.
