Energy bills

[Screwdriver]

From the article:

Under the deal, the US aims to more than double the amount of liquefied natural gas (LNG) exported to the UK over the coming year, compared with 2021.

The government said that, as part of the gas deal, the US will “strive” to export at least 9-10bn cubic metres (bcm) of LNG over the next year via UK terminals.

Over the 12 months to October 2022, the UK imported 9.7bcm of American LNG, 42% of total imports.

Cut out all the waffle and it's something of a non-story.

Really?

The entire reason for the war in Ukraine is a "non story"?
That America would deliberately destroy a key gas pipeline to secure this deal is a "non story"?
Our unelected, internally nominated prime minister has signed a deal with the US. That's not a story either?

It's all a bit too much like an obvious corporate grab and empire building to me. Instead of natural gas being tapped in the ground and delivered directly into Europe through a pipe, it is now LPG shipped from the most powerful capitalist imperial aggressor in the world. And we just signed up for it.

What do you suppose that means for our energy prices in the long term? You realise it is vastly expensive to liquify natural gas. Then Store it, ship it and gasify it before we can use it.

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

[weeksy]

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

I didn't think 'we' were at war ?

[irie]

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

I didn't think 'we' were at war ?

Screwdriver is from his bunker

[Mussels]

From the article:

Under the deal, the US aims to more than double the amount of liquefied natural gas (LNG) exported to the UK over the coming year, compared with 2021.

The government said that, as part of the gas deal, the US will “strive” to export at least 9-10bn cubic metres (bcm) of LNG over the next year via UK terminals.

Over the 12 months to October 2022, the UK imported 9.7bcm of American LNG, 42% of total imports.

Cut out all the waffle and it's something of a non-story.

Really?

The entire reason for the war in Ukraine is a "non story"?
That America would deliberately destroy a key gas pipeline to secure this deal is a "non story"?
Our unelected, internally nominated prime minister has signed a deal with the US. That's not a story either?

It's all a bit too much like an obvious corporate grab and empire building to me. Instead of natural gas being tapped in the ground and delivered directly into Europe through a pipe, it is now LPG shipped from the most powerful capitalist imperial aggressor in the world. And we just signed up for it.

What do you suppose that means for our energy prices in the long term? You realise it is vastly expensive to liquify natural gas. Then Store it, ship it and gasify it before we can use it.

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

Are you saying the reason for the war in Ukraine is because the USA wanted a bigger slice of the European energy market?

[cheb]

I read a theoretical paper some years ago (I've looked for it but I can't find it) which put forth a scenario where Russia attempted to annex somewhere next to a powerful western country. The gist of it was that America would make a massive hoo-haw about it and go completely OTT to defend whatever action they took, it listed a huge propaganda effort, purposely damaging their own domestic economy to rally the troops and global disruption of business and energy streams.

I can't find it and I was talking to a colleague about it recently and he said he'd seen something similar where there is a theoretical paper about what if Russia occupied Canada and it sounded similar.

I've also been reading in the non-western news about India, Russia and Sri Lanka agreeing to trade in rupees instead of dollars and other countries agreeing to trade in yuan. This also has the USA absolutely livid at the threat to the dollar, they've gone to war over much less.

I understood that was the reason that the US spent so much effort tampering with Central American countries.

[Count Steer]

From the article:

Under the deal, the US aims to more than double the amount of liquefied natural gas (LNG) exported to the UK over the coming year, compared with 2021.

The government said that, as part of the gas deal, the US will “strive” to export at least 9-10bn cubic metres (bcm) of LNG over the next year via UK terminals.

Over the 12 months to October 2022, the UK imported 9.7bcm of American LNG, 42% of total imports.

Cut out all the waffle and it's something of a non-story.

Really?

That America would deliberately destroy a key gas pipeline to secure this deal is a "non story"?

Evidence? (I know the theories, proof would be useful).

[Hoonercat]

From the article:

Under the deal, the US aims to more than double the amount of liquefied natural gas (LNG) exported to the UK over the coming year, compared with 2021.

The government said that, as part of the gas deal, the US will “strive” to export at least 9-10bn cubic metres (bcm) of LNG over the next year via UK terminals.

Over the 12 months to October 2022, the UK imported 9.7bcm of American LNG, 42% of total imports.

Cut out all the waffle and it's something of a non-story.

Really?

The entire reason for the war in Ukraine is a "non story"?
That America would deliberately destroy a key gas pipeline to secure this deal is a "non story"?
Our unelected, internally nominated prime minister has signed a deal with the US. That's not a story either?

It's all a bit too much like an obvious corporate grab and empire building to me. Instead of natural gas being tapped in the ground and delivered directly into Europe through a pipe, it is now LPG shipped from the most powerful capitalist imperial aggressor in the world. And we just signed up for it.

What do you suppose that means for our energy prices in the long term? You realise it is vastly expensive to liquify natural gas. Then Store it, ship it and gasify it before we can use it.

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

The UK might import slightly less or slightly more LNG from the US next year than this year. Yes, it's a non-story.
None of the other stuff you mentioned is in the article.

BTW, the reason for the war in Ukraine is because Russia invaded.

[Hoonercat]

The entire reason for the war in Ukraine is a "non story"?

I thought the reason for the war was because the US has such a weak president?

I think it's relevant to the story because China and Russia can hardly believe their luck. First COVID, now a weak US president and a weak EU. The time is ripe for a bit of a land grab. I am surprised Taiwan is still relatively autonomous but Ukraine is fucked. Putin will have that, any minute now I should expect.

That America would deliberately destroy a key gas pipeline to secure this deal is a "non story"?

The deal is for the US to supply LNG to the UK, the pipeline supplied LNG from Russia to Germany, not the UK. So yes, that's also a non-story.

It's all a bit too much like an obvious corporate grab and empire building to me. Instead of natural gas being tapped in the ground and delivered directly into Europe through a pipe, it is now LPG shipped from the most powerful capitalist imperial aggressor in the world. And we just signed up for it.
What do you suppose that means for our energy prices in the long term? You realise it is vastly expensive to liquify natural gas. Then Store it, ship it and gasify it before we can use it.

Earlier this year Bulgaria agreed to buy 7 shipments of LNG from US exporter Cheniere Energy. The cost was cheaper than Russian pipeline gas, because US LNG is cheap (unlike Russian gas, unless you're China or India). The Bulgarian company is state owned, so it buys at US prices for domestic use. Most of the US LNG shipped to Europe is bought by private companies such as Total, Naturgy, Centrica etc. They have long-term contracts with US suppliers, buy at US benchmark prices and sell at European benchmark prices, which last month were 4x higher than US prices (I believe they were 6x higher at one point). So while US exporters are seeing big profits, it's the European importers/resellers who are making huge profits by reselling at highly inflated prices.
It's also worth mentioning that US LNG exports have been approx doubling every 2 years since 2016, way before Russia invaded Ukraine. Even prior to the war, the US was poised to become the world's largest LNG exporter by 2024 due to its increase in infrastructure. The demand has always been there, exports have only been held back by the lack of terminal capacity to match that demand.

You seem to be suggesting that the US is responsible for the war, pouring tens of billions into Ukraine, mainly for the benefit of European and Australian energy companies, who have seen record export volumes as more US exports head to Europe, rather than Asia

[Screwdriver]

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

I didn't think 'we' were at war ?

Somebody isn't paying attention then...

[Yorick]

This precise scenario is the entire reason for the war in Ukraine. How will we know when we've "won"? Or have we in fact, just lost...

I didn't think 'we' were at war ?

Somebody isn't paying attention then...

[Screwdriver]

Are you saying the reason for the war in Ukraine is because the USA wanted a bigger slice of the European energy market?

In a nutshell yes. Of course. Why else would they be there?

Not just to supply into Europe but for themselves and to control the oil/gas (specifically) and one assumes, to piss off Russia.

Why else was Biden and the rest of the Biden mafia so embroiled in Ukraine before he became pres?

[Ant]

Are you saying the reason for the war in Ukraine is because the USA wanted a bigger slice of the European energy market?

In a nutshell yes. Of course. Why else would they be there?

Not just to supply into Europe but for themselves and to control the oil/gas (specifically) and one assumes, to piss off Russia.

Why else was Biden and the rest of the Biden mafia so embroiled in Ukraine before he became pres?

The Clintons were all over this. Hilary was literally goading Russia for years.

Along comes Trump and peace is restored. It's almost as if the left aren't happy with peace as they wanted Trump out and another Democrat in. As history always tells us, Democrats in = war and world destabilisation. People said no, that won't happen........oh, look, they're in and there's another war on.

[Yambo]

Who'd have thought that ol' Joe Biden persuaded Putin to invade Ukraine knowing that Putin's boys weren't really up to it?

[Screwdriver]

I thought the reason for the war was because the US has such a weak president?

Well yes. Who do you suppose is making the actual decisions on how to deal with the problem of Putin?

It ain't Biden that's a dead certainty. The guy is an empty shell. It will be congress sponsored by largely oil/gas and weapons manufacturers etc.

And where do you suppose all those tens/hundreds of billions of US taxpayers dollars are REALLY going? Whose pockets do they end up in? Zelensky is there now demanding another 50billion.Do you think he's going to spend it in Kiev? Maybe donate it to some random civvies? No it will go straight back into the hands of US intel/weapons/etc.

One billion is ten pallets full of hundred dollar bills weighing about 6-8 tons. Maybe more. This latest round is fifty of those.

But it's not a convoy of trucks carrying several hundred tons of cash, it's virtual cash. Laundered via this proxy war, straight back into the hands of the rich and powerful. Bung Zelensky a few billion quid to keep schtum and keep him in power. Voila. A new demagogue who can do whatever he likes whenever he likes with Ukraine albeit tied up to his new US/corporate masters.


<edit> not ignoring the rest of the post. Looks interesting so will digest later.

[Screwdriver]

Who'd have thought that ol' Joe Biden persuaded Putin to invade Ukraine knowing that Putin's boys weren't really up to it?

Bit strong to suggest he persuaded anything. Putin was pushed into it due to the advance of NATO, which incidentally, we promised not to do!

The situation is of course vastly complicated and you'd need to write a book to do much of these shenanigans justice. I just share MY OPINION about what I see happening and see if my ignorant guesswork comes to pass.

Getting a lot of lucky guesses right, including the first thread wondering if Putin would indeed invade.

(This was during a suicidal phase, posted as some other alias)

[Screwdriver]

Aha. Another insightful and informative question on this vastly complex topic.

Oh. Hang on no. Just another cheap shot at the messenger.

OK. Well they put me back on prednisolone this time (not methylprednisolone). Still not working, too low a dose. You should probably take this to another thread if you're that obsessed with me and profess no interest in this topic.

[Yorick]

Aha. Another insightful and informative question on this vastly complex topic.

Oh. Hang on no. Just another cheap shot at the messenger.

OK. Well they put me back on prednisolone this time (not methylprednisolone). Still not working, too low a dose. I should probably take this to another thread about if you're that obsessed with me and profess no interest in this topic.

Some of the stuff you post sounds like proper crackpot conspiracy stuff.

You crack on if it makes you happy

[Screwdriver]

Some of the stuff you post sounds like proper crackpot conspiracy stuff.

You crack on if it makes you happy

Some of it may be.

Name ONE.

[Yorick]

Some of the stuff you post sounds like proper crackpot conspiracy stuff.

You crack on if it makes you happy

Some of it may be.

Name ONE.

You need to relax and let it all go

[Screwdriver]

Some of the stuff you post sounds like proper crackpot conspiracy stuff.

You crack on if it makes you happy

Some of it may be.

Name ONE.

You need to relax and let it all go

That is very true but I am reassured that you are in fact unable to name a single "tinfoil-hat/nutjob/conspiracy" comment.

I suggest that is because so many of them have come to pass and are now being passed off as unimportant old news by the mainstream media. Like for example the Hunter Biden Laptop or embedded FBI agents or deep state censorship of social media platforms, shadow banning political opponents etc. etc. Yeah, to the untrained eye they do look a bit nuts. But in all seriousness, the crazy part is it's all being played out in front of our eyes and people still can't see it.

I haven't even mentioned the great reset yet. Now that IS a conspiracy...