PPE MedPro - The Plot Thickens

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Re: PPE MedPro - The Plot Thickens

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Count Steer wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:07 pm they thought 'cos I was a CEng I was clearly an IT Kwality guru. :thumbup: ).
My Mum worked in IT her whole career as various types of systems analyst, programme manager and things in between over about 45 years.

I remember her asking me once "How do you know the wheels are strong enough on a car?" or something along those lines, which got us into a long discussion about gateways, design reviews and all that sort of thing.

She finally gets to the point where she said "We always used AS9100 as a quality system, do they have anything like that with cars and planes?" :D

https://www.isaregistrar.com/the-as9100 ... -industry/

The AS9100 quality management standard, prepared by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), details the supplementary requirements to the ISO 9001:2000, which those in the aerospace industry must meet in order to obtain certification
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:27 pm
Count Steer wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:07 pm they thought 'cos I was a CEng I was clearly an IT Kwality guru. :thumbup: ).
My Mum worked in IT her whole career as various types of systems analyst, programme manager and things in between over about 45 years.

I remember her asking me once "How do you know the wheels are strong enough on a car?" or something along those lines, which got us into a long discussion about gateways, design reviews and all that sort of thing.

She finally gets to the point where she said "We always used AS9100 as a quality system, do they have anything like that with cars and planes?" :D

https://www.isaregistrar.com/the-as9100 ... -industry/

The AS9100 quality management standard, prepared by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), details the supplementary requirements to the ISO 9001:2000, which those in the aerospace industry must meet in order to obtain certification
Did she mean 9100? 9000/BS5750 was the thing IIRC but it's a while ago. (Didn't need them to identify that the biggest threat to consistent delivery was a programmer and analyst staff turnover of 35% and that the people not leaving included all the ones you hoped would :lol: They rewarded my remarkable insight by handing me a 30 FTE business critical project/hospital pass in an 'OK clever clogs, you do it better' fashion. Given I'd never managed an IT project before you'll see the quality problem ran quite deep*...)

Wonder what Quality Management System they used/ignored on PPE acquisition?

*Delivered it on time and over budget


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Doesn't ISO9000whatever just mean that if what you're making is shite, everything is equally shite, and documented as such?
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Yeah, you just have to know it's shite and be able to make the same shite every time on demand.

Companies love to say their stuff is "Aerospace Grade", all that means is you know alot about it and could make it the same every time. Doesn't automatically mean it's good.
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Part Whatever:

"The government is suing a company that supplied it with personal protective equipment (PPE) for £122m plus costs.

PPE Medpro won contracts through the government's so-called VIP lane in 2020 after being recommended by Conservative peer Baroness Mone.

The government is attempting to get its money back on one of the deals, for the supply of medical gowns during the pandemic, in the High Court.

PPE Medpro said it would "rigorously" defend the claim.

The company accused the government of a "cynical attempt" to recover money from suppliers who had acted in good faith and to contract specifications."

And more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64029040
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Phoenix wrote: Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:15 pm Part Whatever:

"The government is suing a company that supplied it with personal protective equipment (PPE) for £122m plus costs.

PPE Medpro won contracts through the government's so-called VIP lane in 2020 after being recommended by Conservative peer Baroness Mone.

The government is attempting to get its money back on one of the deals, for the supply of medical gowns during the pandemic, in the High Court.

PPE Medpro said it would "rigorously" defend the claim.

The company accused the government of a "cynical attempt" to recover money from suppliers who had acted in good faith and to contract specifications."

And more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64029040

I'd be interested to see just whoever else was in it upto their necks.
Also now they get to use the old "Can't comment while there's an ongoing case" excuse while they kick it into the long grass.
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£120million? That not even half a new Scottish ferry.
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I've been involved in quality for a number of years in a variety of roles, it's a thankless task as nobody likes being told they're not very good at their job.

Engineers/designers are the most fun as they get very blind to their baby's short comings (I came from their side of the table so know the feeling - poacher turned game keeper as my boss said when promoting me (?) ).