NHS Crisis, do the French have the solution?!

[cheb]

It's not the snowflakes, it's the old farts with their shopping list of ailments and their boomer sense of entitlement.

Back in your good old days it was easy, fob off the punter with various colours of placebo sugar water, and they were dumb enough to trust the doctor.

[Ant]

It's the snowflakes which cost NHS England £25million a year on gender identity services overall. The oldies are probably not having their bits chopped about due to not being able to get their own way in a Twitter debate. Add to that, Britain’s socialised healthcare system has spent over £1 million on woke LGBTQ+ and racial staff networks, all of the above despite persistent claims of underfunding and long waiting lists for patients

[Yambo]

I know of one ridiculous waste of money related to the wonderful NHS and it should change.

If you have a thyroid problem you're going to be on thyroxin or whatever for the rest of your life. So you get free prescriptions, not just for the thyroxin which is cheaper than chips anyway but all prescriptions. Why all prescriptions?

I'm on pills for the rest of my life but would I get them on a free prescription? No.

I have no idea how much this costs the NHS every year but the number of fat folk around who probably claim it's down to their thyroid will all be getting free prescriptions - for everything.

[Yorick]

Kin 'ell. Change the title to the whining and whinging brigade

[mangocrazy]

It's not the snowflakes, it's the old farts with their shopping list of ailments and their boomer sense of entitlement.

The very same old farts who have paid (via their taxes) into the system for the last 50 years and who now, not unrealistically, expect it to assist them in the period of their life when they probably need it most.

Just by way of explanation, it's a bit like a pension. You pay into it when you're younger so that you have something to fall back on in old age.

[Cousin Jack]

It's not the snowflakes, it's the old farts with their shopping list of ailments and their boomer sense of entitlement.

I have 2 illnesses that will probably kill me eventually (CAD and Kidney failure). The last doctor I saw was a (private) orthopedic surgeon about a shoulder injury from falling off the bike, and that was 2 years ago. I don't need to see a quack more than perhaps once a year unless I get another illness, what I would like is a system that allows me to get an appointment quickly if I do need one, rather than a week after I have died.

[Pirahna]

The problems with the NHS start right at the bottom. There's shit loads of people can't get a GP appointment, they phone 111 and get told to go to casualty, so that's casualty full up with non urgent cases because they can't see a GP. Those that can't drive call an ambulance, so that's fucked as well. The people in casualty have to see a doctor, if it's a junior doctor they cover themselves with a senior doctor who gets a consultant to look at things. The senior doctors and consultants have got better things to do but can't because of not enough GP's. Procurement is another problem, the people that supplied us with computer kit were quite open about supplying the NHS at four times the price, the same is with medicine and anything else that's required. Then there's the management layers, split the whole thing up into independant trusts and duplicate management everywhere. At every level the NHS is fucked, it could be fixed but nobody has the balls to do it.

[Count Steer]

Just for balance

Had experience of our GP service yesterday. Call surgery. Doctor makes home visit within the hour. Doctor phones again later, she'd talked to consultant/specialist unit and wanted to do some more tests. Arrived 10 minutes later for second home visit. Organised prescription etc. They texted at 18:00 with some more info.

Well impressed.

It's not all rubbish and broken.

[weeksy]

The problems with the NHS start right at the bottom. There's shit loads of people can't get a GP appointment, they phone 111 and get told to go to casualty, so that's casualty full up with non urgent cases because they can't see a GP. Those that can't drive call an ambulance, so that's fucked as well. The people in casualty have to see a doctor, if it's a junior doctor they cover themselves with a senior doctor who gets a consultant to look at things. The senior doctors and consultants have got better things to do but can't because of not enough GP's. Procurement is another problem, the people that supplied us with computer kit were quite open about supplying the NHS at four times the price, the same is with medicine and anything else that's required. Then there's the management layers, split the whole thing up into independant trusts and duplicate management everywhere. At every level the NHS is fucked, it could be fixed but nobody has the balls to do it.

We were chatting on another forum and GP Pensions are a massive issue due to the fact if they work a 40 hour week they end up with an insane tax bill afterwards due to pension being maxed out. So they only end up working 24 hour weeks, not because they want to... but because that's the only way they can do it.

[Hoonercat]

It costs approx £12 per month to join the National Health system here but it doesn't cover everything, so many top it up with private insurance. I've only had to use A&E once, they were excellent and no doubt saved me from losing part of a finger and there was no charge. The follow-up care was charged at about £13 per visit, and while the care was excellent it was a real pain in the arse as there is no appointment system.
Seeing a GP is very easy, either go to the village surgery or head into town to the hospital (not the same hospital as A&E). If you need an x-ray/scan, it's all done in the same building and the GP will have it on his desk by the time you're back in his office. If you need to see a consultant it's usually the same or next day, if you need an operation it's usually done within a couple of days. Seeing a GP comes with a small charge (approx £2), an x-ray is approx £1.
A bloke in the next village was diagnosed with a cancerous lump, saw the GP, consultant, operation, recovery in hospitable and back home all within a week, the only charge was approx £5 per day for the hospitable bed.
The downside is that if you haven't paid into the system or don't have private insurance you won't get seen (apart from A&E). A Bulgarian lad from a neighbouring village was turned away because he hadn't paid into the system and died of heart failure that evening, as he couldn't pay the £45 charge

[Mr Moofo]

A Bulgarian lad from a neighbouring village was turned away because he hadn't paid into the system and died of heart failure that evening, as he couldn't pay the £45 charge

That'll learn him !

[irie]

We were chatting on another forum and GP Pensions are a massive issue due to the fact if they work a 40 hour week they end up with an insane tax bill afterwards due to pension being maxed out. So they only end up working 24 hour weeks, not because they want to... but because that's the only way they can do it.

A mtb and kitesurfing buddy is a retired Consultant Orthopaedic surgeon who told me about this. It's ridiculous.

[Cousin Jack]

We were chatting on another forum and GP Pensions are a massive issue due to the fact if they work a 40 hour week they end up with an insane tax bill afterwards due to pension being maxed out. So they only end up working 24 hour weeks, not because they want to... but because that's the only way they can do it.

Agreed. My goto riding buddy is a retired Consultant Orthopaedic surgeon, told me about this. It's ridiculous.

Somebody has got to pay for all the money splashed out on Covid stuff, and the alternative to making rich doctors pay is taking the money from poor nurses. Take your pick.

[irie]

We were chatting on another forum and GP Pensions are a massive issue due to the fact if they work a 40 hour week they end up with an insane tax bill afterwards due to pension being maxed out. So they only end up working 24 hour weeks, not because they want to... but because that's the only way they can do it.

Agreed. My goto riding buddy is a retired Consultant Orthopaedic surgeon, told me about this. It's ridiculous.

Somebody has got to pay for all the money splashed out on Covid stuff, and the alternative to making rich doctors pay is taking the money from poor nurses. Take your pick.

But the 'rich doctors' do not pay, they stop work!

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's the snowflakes which cost NHS England £25million a year on gender identity services overall.

Old people falling over cost the NHS more than that in a week. Or they did 10 years ago anyway!

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-press/a ... -cost-nhs/

[Ant]

It's the snowflakes which cost NHS England £25million a year on gender identity services overall.

Old people falling over cost the NHS more than that in a week. Or they did 10 years ago anyway!

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-press/a ... -cost-nhs/

I'm sure they're not choosing to be falling over, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

[weeksy]

It's the snowflakes which cost NHS England £25million a year on gender identity services overall.

Old people falling over cost the NHS more than that in a week. Or they did 10 years ago anyway!

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-press/a ... -cost-nhs/

I'm sure they're not choosing to be falling over, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

That you're being an insensitive bigotted twat ?

[Ant]

Old people falling over cost the NHS more than that in a week. Or they did 10 years ago anyway!

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-press/a ... -cost-nhs/

I'm sure they're not choosing to be falling over, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

That you're being an insensitive bigotted twat ?

In what way do you mean? So far we've managed without name calling and hate, until now. Do you have a point you wanted to make?

[weeksy]

I'm sure they're not choosing to be falling over, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

That you're being an insensitive bigotted twat ?

In what way do you mean? So far we've managed without name calling and hate, until now. Do you have a point you wanted to make?

Well, you started it with the name calling by calling people who have gender issues Snowflakes... so no, we didn't manage to do without name calling as you threw it in there. My point it, that's exceptionally insensitive. We have people on here and people in the world who have gender issues and associated conditions. You're directly insulting them by calling them snowflakes and implying they shouldn't be able to spend/use services that will make their life better.

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's the snowflakes which cost NHS England £25million a year on gender identity services overall.

Old people falling over cost the NHS more than that in a week. Or they did 10 years ago anyway!

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-press/a ... -cost-nhs/

I'm sure they're not choosing to be falling over, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

I'm saying you could stop all funding to any 'gender services' (dunno what else it would be called) tomorrow and it'd make precisely buggery all difference to the NHS.

Your man is right, it's old people that cost the NHS the most by a long long way. That's just a FACT which shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone.

Argue among yourselves about whether they've worked hard all their lives, earned it or whatever etc. etc., but it's the truth.