Energy bills

[Count Steer]

Got my energy statements yesterday. £60 and £2 credit on gas and electric, so not exactly a 'winter war chest'.

(I was right about the migration to new accounts. I'd say 60+% of the functionality has been stripped out. No consumption history - just pdf's of old bills, no option to change DD amount or click for a refund. Just an option to make an extra payment. Huge step backwards).

[Asian Boss]

I'm moving out of my new build town house and into my Georgian flat with the huge rooms and sash windows. The energy bills are going to be colossal. And the roof is still leaking. Roofy Simon from Thursday badminton said he'd fix it before winter. He'd better get on with it or I'll turn up the Home Counties accent and threaten to have him thrown out of his cottage.

[v8-powered]

We are now at £305 per month despite being £900 in credit....

[Ant]

About as good if not better Synopsys of the current gas situation as any Ive so far seen on here. Might be interesting to see how post Brexit UK fits into the bigger picture.

It's got nothing to do with Brexit

[demographic]

About as good if not better Synopsys of the current gas situation as any Ive so far seen on here. Might be interesting to see how post Brexit UK fits into the bigger picture.

It's got nothing to do with Brexit

So you missed the part about European countries agreeing to increase their storage capacity?

Is Britain "In Europe" now? Oh...

Did you not watch the vid or did you take yer meds halfway through?

[Ant]

About as good if not better Synopsys of the current gas situation as any Ive so far seen on here. Might be interesting to see how post Brexit UK fits into the bigger picture.

It's got nothing to do with Brexit

So you missed the part about European countries agreeing to increase their storage capacity?

Is Britain "In Europe" now? Oh...

Did you not watch the vid or did you take yer meds halfway through?

Europe is a continent.

The EU is a political union.

Take my meds? There's no need for bitter name calling, we're adults after all. Maybe try to find out the difference between a continent and a political union?

[demographic]

It's got nothing to do with Brexit

So you missed the part about European countries agreeing to increase their storage capacity?

Is Britain "In Europe" now? Oh...

Did you not watch the vid or did you take yer meds halfway through?

Europe is a continent.

The EU is a political union.

Deliberately missing the point though eh?

[Ant]

We get the point, it's more wailing at not being in the EU, nothing more.

[Mussels]

About as good if not better Synopsys of the current gas situation as any Ive so far seen on here. Might be interesting to see how post Brexit UK fits into the bigger picture.

It's got nothing to do with Brexit

So you missed the part about European countries agreeing to increase their storage capacity?

Is Britain "In Europe" now? Oh...

Did you not watch the vid or did you take yer meds halfway through?

EU countries increasing storage will help the UK by preventing them panic buying and forcing prices sky high. The UK is also increasing gas storage, why do you think Brexit has made any difference?

[demographic]

We get the point, it's more wailing at not being in the EU, nothing more.

So you never watched it. Thats fine by me.
The fact that UK energy prices shot up by more than EU countries was just...erm...reasons.
Maybe they just have better governments? A more cohesive energy policy?

[Ant]

We get the point, it's more wailing at not being in the EU, nothing more.

So you never watched it. Thats fine by me.
The fact that UK energy prices shot up by more than EU countries was just...erm...reasons.
Maybe they just have better governments? A more cohesive energy policy?

I don't know what an erm is, but it's a wholesale price we don't see. Many other countries subsidise the cost with tax, those which have a nationally owned energy supply, so they are paying it, but their bill says something different, the tax they pay is the rest of it. Over all none of it is perfect, but there's no point in you bringing Brexit into it.

[Count Steer]

I watched it. Pretty impressed how they (excluding Hungary of course ) have got their act together. A few months ago the lack of storage was going to leave them short over winter. Could still use more LNG storage as that lack caused the price drop but overall More interconnectivity, particularly into Spain for the Algerian gas, will probably follow as that's a weak point too.

I note that our Rough storage (abandoned as economically unviable) is now partially in use.

I did wonder why North Sea oil production wasn't obviously better than importing it from eg Saudi or Norway. Turns out our own production generates more CO2 than shipping/piping it in and we're still flaring off 'excess' gas (which we promptly criticised Russia for doing). Bit pants that.

[ZRX61]

It's all fucked up her, NG market in Tx is pretty much collapsed into the shitter, whereas in other parts of the US it's up 200% or more.
Petrol at Costco is now $1.30/gal cheaper ($5/gal) than the Chevron about 1/2 mile down the road from it ($6.30).
We got a new Advanced Auto open here (think Halfrauds) & they offer 20c/gal rewards program for every $50 you spend (valid until the end of the following month). I recently bought a bunch of stuff there & ended up with 60c/gal discount at Shell (up to 20 gal). I can't be arsed to line up at Costco on the bike just for 4 gallons so used the rewards deal for the ZX11 & ZRX11 the last time I took them out. Discounted it from $6/gal to $5.40 which was nice.

[MrLongbeard]

What a bunch of thieving gits Shell Energy are…

Last week got an email to outline my costs are going up due to the new gov guarantee with an estimate of the cost for the next 12 months based on the previous 12 months and new tariff at £4111 without the benefit of the credit on the account (nigh on £800 currently) and without the benefit of the £400 over the next 6 months. The usage shown in their figures was broadly in line with the usage as shown on the app (I use Hugo).

Today, get an email to say that my direct debit was increasing by £60 per month after allowing for £800 credit but not the gov’s £400 as my usage over the next 14 (wtf) months was going to be £5600, which nets down to roughly £4,800 over 12 months or 17% more than last week’s prediction…

Direct debit now adjusted back to where it was!

I thought of gem had bollocked the industry for over egging the pudding when it came to direct debits and holding customers’ money?

Shell emailed me last week, after building up about the same credit as you they've decided to reduce my DD by £50 a month

[Count Steer]

I watched it. Pretty impressed how they (excluding Hungary of course ) have got their act together. A few months ago the lack of storage was going to leave them short over winter. Could still use more LNG storage as that lack caused the price drop but overall More interconnectivity, particularly into Spain for the Algerian gas, will probably follow as that's a weak point too.

Quick follow up: apparently France has dished the plan to extend the MidCat gas pipeline across the Pyrenees in favour of BarMar - an undersea pipeline between Barcelona and Marseille transporting....hydrogen (as well as, possibly, natural gas - they'll be able to switch between). It seems Spain is going big on the generation of 'green' hydrogen (second biggest investor in it after USA).

[Asian Boss]

Coal burning store, no natural gas; if that ain't country I'll kiss your ass.

[Supermofo]

This seems a fairly sensible idea, cover car parks with solar panels.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... lar-panels

[Yorick]

This seems a fairly sensible idea, cover car parks with solar panels.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... lar-panels

We're all baffled why solar panels are frowned upon here. It's only recently that the "solar panel tax" was dropped.

[Count Steer]

This seems a fairly sensible idea, cover car parks with solar panels.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... lar-panels

We're all baffled why solar panels are frowned upon here. It's only recently that the "solar panel tax" was dropped.

Possible answer here....https://blog.abacoadvisers.com/the-rise ... -in-spain/

[Kneerly Down]

We're all baffled why solar panels are frowned upon here. It's only recently that the "solar panel tax" was dropped.

I had friends who were doing investments in solar in Spain and France.
IIRC Spain went ahead with retrospective changes to the subsidies paid to solar power generators whereas France didn't, but did reduce the amount of energy that would be available to inject from solar into the grid, which was the basis of the payments.
It certainly made developers much more wary of placing their investments there.