LBD JRM

[mangocrazy]

He's known as the honourable member for the 18th century, and actually enjoys that label, which probably tells you all you need to know about him.

[gremlin]

My criticism of him is nothing to do with his poshness. It's more the fact he's a climate change denying, backwards thinking hypocrite.

And the good people of his constituency can decided whether they want to keep him as their MP or not.

That's democracy.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I often think it's a shame government ministers are appointed from MPs, both 'cause it means you don't get a say on who the ministers are and because it means constituents 'lose' their MP to a large extent.

Do I have a better solution? Do I bollox!

Could be worse, you could have the speaker as your MP.

[Mussels]

My criticism of him is nothing to do with his poshness. It's more the fact he's a climate change denying, backwards thinking hypocrite.

And the good people of his constituency can decided whether they want to keep him as their MP or not.

That's democracy.

Their choice is between JRM or Labour, that makes it harder.

[irie]

I often think it's a shame government ministers are appointed from MPs, both 'cause it means you don't get a say on who the ministers are and because it means constituents 'lose' their MP to a large extent.

Do I have a better solution? Do I bollox!

Could be worse, you could have the speaker as your MP.

Government ministers do not have to be MPs, and often are not.

[mangocrazy]

My criticism of him is nothing to do with his poshness. It's more the fact he's a climate change denying, backwards thinking hypocrite.

And the good people of his constituency can decided whether they want to keep him as their MP or not.

That's democracy.

Their choice is between JRM or Labour, that makes it harder.

Shirley the Lib Dems would be the obvious opposition in Zummerzet ?

[Mussels]

And the good people of his constituency can decided whether they want to keep him as their MP or not.

That's democracy.

Their choice is between JRM or Labour, that makes it harder.

Shirley the Lib Dems would be the obvious opposition in Zummerzet ?

I looked at the lib-dem leaflet at the last CC elections, it was all about how they would spend more money with no indication where the money was coming from. Not much of a choice.

[mangocrazy]

Unlikely; rich Tories normally find creative ways to avoid paying their taxes.

[Mr Moofo]

Unlikely; rich Tories rarely pay their taxes.

And poor people never pay (income) taxes
And in fact get benefits from the state because, despite what the blinkered left think, the majority of the better off do pay taxes to support the less fortunate in society.

[Count Steer]

£Millionaire doesn't mean much any more anyway. Dictionary definition is £1M in assets. Hard not to be one if you own a London property or a reasonable house in the SE.

(I did once buy something for 0.25M in cash. But it was Turkish Lira ).

[Asian Boss]

You've probably seen it. But this is quite a good aggressive mobbing and booing and hectoring.

[mangocrazy]

Unlikely; rich Tories normally find creative ways to avoid paying their taxes.

And poor people never pay (income) taxes
And in fact get benefits from the state because, despite what the blinkered left think, the majority of the better off do pay taxes to support the less fortunate in society.

If you earn more than £12,570 p.a. (and that includes benefits or pensions) then you will pay tax. The poor simply do not have the means to avoid paying tax in the way that the rich can.

Some rich folk do pay their fair share in tax, but a lot don't, normally those at the very rich end of the spectrum who could best afford to.

[Mr Moofo]

Unlikely; rich Tories normally find creative ways to avoid paying their taxes.

And poor people never pay (income) taxes
And in fact get benefits from the state because, despite what the blinkered left think, the majority of the better off do pay taxes to support the less fortunate in society.

If you earn more than £12,570 p.a. (and that includes benefits or pensions) then you will pay tax. The poor simply do not have the means to avoid paying tax in the way that the rich can.

Some rich folk do pay their fair share in tax, but a lot don't, normally those at the very rich end of the spectrum who could best afford to.

They could avoid paying tax - if they had the parameters that allowed them to. HMRC doesn't have a "only for the Rich" set of rules. It does have a set of rules that apply to everyone - but yes, generally those more well heeled will know have to minimise their tax bill. Perfectly legal and a sensible thing to do.
Re the Tax threshold at 12,570 GBP - I am guessing in most cases in most cases you will be a net gainers from any benefits / income support/ rent support. I would be really surprised if you net pay in ( but off to investigate).
I think most "rich' folk do pay their tax requirement. And remember they are the people who support the lower 50% of tax payers. If they were so good at tax dodging you would have no NHS, no Education System, and no Welfare System.

[Mr Moofo]

Universal credit ends at 573 GBP earnings per week - 29.7k a year
https://www.which.co.uk/money/tax/tax-c ... krv#income

[Mr. Dazzle]

IIRC a little less than half the UK population pay more in taxes than they 'use'. You have to be a reasonably high earner (not mega money, but above the average salary for sure) to be a net contributor.

Also IIRC, every region of the UK except London is a net sponge.

[mangocrazy]

Yes, The Rules are the same for everyone, but only the well off can afford an accountant to enable you to minimise the tax take. The poor, and I'd define that as anyone who is on UC, simply couldn't afford the services of a tax accountant, and even if they could, wouldn't be able to structure their tax affairs in the way that significantly better off folk can.

The rich can set up offshore companies, trust funds etc. that shield them from the Inland Revenue's prying eyes. The poor are totally excluded from that, simply by virtue of being poor.

I think most "rich' folk do pay their tax requirement. And remember they are the people who support the lower 50% of tax payers. If they were so good at tax dodging you would have no NHS, no Education System, and no Welfare System.

You clearly have a more enlightened view of the rich than I do, or is that simply down to idealogical bias, whereby you believe it because you want to? If you have taken a good look at the NHS, Education and Welfare systems recently I'd suggest that they are absolutely on their last legs, due to being starved of funds. And that situation in part has arisen due to Tory Government wastefulness and 'perks for the boys' and partly because the tax take is down due to so many people (and multinational companies) simply avoiding tax legally.

[Skub]

You've probably seen it. But this is quite a good aggressive mobbing and booing and hectoring.

Fuck me. Some people must live their lives in little concentrated bubbles of hate and loathing.

[Asian Boss]

You've probably seen it. But this is quite a good aggressive mobbing and booing and hectoring.

Fuck me. Some people must live their lives in little concentrated bubbles of hate and loathing.

My favorite is the man who keeps saying: 'robbing from the poor to give the rich'.

JRM is kind of smirking. But he must realise at some point he won't be surrounded by police and they'll see him and come for him then.

There's also a bloke in a grey tracksuit who's walking along filming on his phone, not looking where he's going over. He falls right over at about 1 minute 20 seconds. Pratfall!

[irie]

Yes, The Rules are the same for everyone, but only the well off can afford an accountant to enable you to minimise the tax take. The poor, and I'd define that as anyone who is on UC, simply couldn't afford the services of a tax accountant, and even if they could, wouldn't be able to structure their tax affairs in the way that significantly better off folk can.

The rich can set up offshore companies, trust funds etc. that shield them from the Inland Revenue's prying eyes. The poor are totally excluded from that, simply by virtue of being poor.

I think most "rich' folk do pay their tax requirement. And remember they are the people who support the lower 50% of tax payers. If they were so good at tax dodging you would have no NHS, no Education System, and no Welfare System.

You clearly have a more enlightened view of the rich than I do, or is that simply down to idealogical bias, whereby you believe it because you want to? If you have taken a good look at the NHS, Education and Welfare systems recently I'd suggest that they are absolutely on their last legs, due to being starved of funds. And that situation in part has arisen due to Tory Government wastefulness and 'perks for the boys' and partly because the tax take is down due to so many people (and multinational companies) simply avoiding tax legally.

That is absolutely NOT the case!!!

(the 20/21 dip was caused by Covid).

[Count Steer]

And there I think we take a time out.