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I think the Superpole race today will awesome, 10 laps of madness.
The only thing every man and their dug are talking about just now is the speed of that Ducati on the straights, I mean it’s blatantly obvious and you can’t bring Rinaldi into it because he’s just shit everywhere else in comparison to Bautista, it’s the perfect combination of body weight, size and bike. If Bautista can be similar to Jonathan and Toprak everywhere else on track then make up 3 tenths on the straight then the advantage of that is massive, then you have Jonathan and Toprak having to ride even harder to keep up and they absolutely destroy their tyre in the process.
The fact Bautista can go faster later in the race once the fuel level has dropped, pretty much the only person that can do that race after race with the Pirelli tyre, his tyre lasts, like I said the perfect combination of him and the bike, his riding style as well, it all comes together perfectly.
The only thing every man and their dug are talking about just now is the speed of that Ducati on the straights, I mean it’s blatantly obvious and you can’t bring Rinaldi into it because he’s just shit everywhere else in comparison to Bautista, it’s the perfect combination of body weight, size and bike. If Bautista can be similar to Jonathan and Toprak everywhere else on track then make up 3 tenths on the straight then the advantage of that is massive, then you have Jonathan and Toprak having to ride even harder to keep up and they absolutely destroy their tyre in the process.
The fact Bautista can go faster later in the race once the fuel level has dropped, pretty much the only person that can do that race after race with the Pirelli tyre, his tyre lasts, like I said the perfect combination of him and the bike, his riding style as well, it all comes together perfectly.
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Re: WSBK- Argentina San Juan Villicum
Bassani and Lecona are definitely two to watch for the future.
JR must be giving away around 20kgs to Bautista. Imagine strapping a bag of cement to Alvaro's back,then see how he goes.
JR must be giving away around 20kgs to Bautista. Imagine strapping a bag of cement to Alvaro's back,then see how he goes.
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I think JR and Toprak are very similar in weight, Toprak is maybe a kilo or two lighter. I think something will have to be done because the last thing we need is the championship being a one horse race again, fuck that. Last year was the best it’s been for years and even though the racing this year has been fantastic to watch with a lot of close racing and passes the advantage on the straights for Bautista has been pretty much the decisive factor, and it’s clear to see.
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San Juan WorldSBK Superpole Race Results: Toprak Razgatlioglu holds off Alvaro Bautista
Results from the Superpole Race, round ten of the 2022 WorldSBK Championship at San Juan, Argentina.
WorldSBK champion Toprak Razgatlioglu bounced back from his mistake in race one to claim victory in the Superpole race after an intense battle with Alvaro Bautista.
Like race one, Razgatlioglu made a brilliant start as he kept the lead into turn one before doing the same into turn five, as both he and Jonathan Rea managed to hold off Bautista along the back-straight.
With Bautista not able to make a move during the opening couple of laps, it was instead Rea that was applying big pressure to race leader Razgatlioglu.
Able to carry more corner speed, Rea took the lead on lap three (turn five) which allowed Bautista, who was struggling to stay with the two leaders in sectors one and four, to get close once again.
A big gap was created between the front two and Bautista on lap four as the Ducati rider made a small mistake in sector three.
Rea, who was on course for a first win since Estoril, then made a big mistake at turn one as he ran wide which allowed Razgatlioglu and Rea to get through.
2022 WORLD SUPERBIKE SAN JUAN, ARGENTINA - SUPERPOLE RACE RESULTS
POS RIDER NAT TEAM TIME
1 Toprak Razgatlioglu TUR PATA Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK 10 Laps
2 Alvaro Bautista SPA Aruba.It Racing Ducati +0.613s
3 Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing Team WorldSBK +0.856s
4 Michael Rinaldi ITA Aruba.It Racing Ducati +4.357s
5 Alex Lowes GBR Kawasaki Racing Team WorldSBK +5.062s
6 Iker Lecuona SPA Team HRC WorldSBK +5.418s
7 Axel Bassani ITA Motocorsa Ducati +8.714s
8 Xavi Vierge SPA Team HRC WorldSBK +10.676s
9 Loris Baz FRA Bonovo Action BMW +10.752s
10 Andrea Locatelli ITA PATA Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK +10.907s
11 Michael Van Der Mark SPA BMW Motorrad WorldSBK Team +12.459s
12 Xavi Fores SPA Barni Spark Ducati Team +14.827s
13 Garrett Gerloff USA GRT Yamaha WorldSBK Team +15.417s
14 Scott Redding GBR BMW Motorrad WorldSBK Team +17.709s
15 Philipp Oettl GER GoEleven Ducati +19.308s
16 Kohta Nozane JPN GRT Yamaha +20.627s
17 Leandro Mercado ARG MIE Honda Racing +22.760s
18 Lucas Mahias FRA Puccetti Kawasaki +22.958s
19 Eugene Laverty IRL Bonovo Action BMW +25.234s
20 Oliver Konig CZE Orelac Racing Kawasaki +26.232s
21 Maximilian Scheib GER MIE Honda Racing +27.217s
22 Marco Solorza ARG Pedercini Kawasaki +46.065s
The error from Rea seemed to spur Bautista into action as he reeled in Razgatlioglu with just four laps remaining.
Bautista then made a carbon-copy move to that of race one as he took the lead into turn six, however, Razgatlioglu managed to respond immediately at turn seven.
One lap later and Bautista made the same move stick before the reigning world champion went for a late move at turn eight.
But Razgatlioglu ran slightly wide which gave the advantage back to Bautista. As the last lap began, Razgatlioglu made another stunning move on the brakes at turn one.
After losing the lead again along the back-straight, Razgatlioglu made a late lunge at turn seven, but unlike race one when he crashed, the Turkish star remained aboard his R1 as he pushed Bautista wide.
The battling brought Rea back into contention but it was too late for the six-time world champion to make an impression.
Results from the Superpole Race, round ten of the 2022 WorldSBK Championship at San Juan, Argentina.
WorldSBK champion Toprak Razgatlioglu bounced back from his mistake in race one to claim victory in the Superpole race after an intense battle with Alvaro Bautista.
Like race one, Razgatlioglu made a brilliant start as he kept the lead into turn one before doing the same into turn five, as both he and Jonathan Rea managed to hold off Bautista along the back-straight.
With Bautista not able to make a move during the opening couple of laps, it was instead Rea that was applying big pressure to race leader Razgatlioglu.
Able to carry more corner speed, Rea took the lead on lap three (turn five) which allowed Bautista, who was struggling to stay with the two leaders in sectors one and four, to get close once again.
A big gap was created between the front two and Bautista on lap four as the Ducati rider made a small mistake in sector three.
Rea, who was on course for a first win since Estoril, then made a big mistake at turn one as he ran wide which allowed Razgatlioglu and Rea to get through.
2022 WORLD SUPERBIKE SAN JUAN, ARGENTINA - SUPERPOLE RACE RESULTS
POS RIDER NAT TEAM TIME
1 Toprak Razgatlioglu TUR PATA Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK 10 Laps
2 Alvaro Bautista SPA Aruba.It Racing Ducati +0.613s
3 Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing Team WorldSBK +0.856s
4 Michael Rinaldi ITA Aruba.It Racing Ducati +4.357s
5 Alex Lowes GBR Kawasaki Racing Team WorldSBK +5.062s
6 Iker Lecuona SPA Team HRC WorldSBK +5.418s
7 Axel Bassani ITA Motocorsa Ducati +8.714s
8 Xavi Vierge SPA Team HRC WorldSBK +10.676s
9 Loris Baz FRA Bonovo Action BMW +10.752s
10 Andrea Locatelli ITA PATA Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK +10.907s
11 Michael Van Der Mark SPA BMW Motorrad WorldSBK Team +12.459s
12 Xavi Fores SPA Barni Spark Ducati Team +14.827s
13 Garrett Gerloff USA GRT Yamaha WorldSBK Team +15.417s
14 Scott Redding GBR BMW Motorrad WorldSBK Team +17.709s
15 Philipp Oettl GER GoEleven Ducati +19.308s
16 Kohta Nozane JPN GRT Yamaha +20.627s
17 Leandro Mercado ARG MIE Honda Racing +22.760s
18 Lucas Mahias FRA Puccetti Kawasaki +22.958s
19 Eugene Laverty IRL Bonovo Action BMW +25.234s
20 Oliver Konig CZE Orelac Racing Kawasaki +26.232s
21 Maximilian Scheib GER MIE Honda Racing +27.217s
22 Marco Solorza ARG Pedercini Kawasaki +46.065s
The error from Rea seemed to spur Bautista into action as he reeled in Razgatlioglu with just four laps remaining.
Bautista then made a carbon-copy move to that of race one as he took the lead into turn six, however, Razgatlioglu managed to respond immediately at turn seven.
One lap later and Bautista made the same move stick before the reigning world champion went for a late move at turn eight.
But Razgatlioglu ran slightly wide which gave the advantage back to Bautista. As the last lap began, Razgatlioglu made another stunning move on the brakes at turn one.
After losing the lead again along the back-straight, Razgatlioglu made a late lunge at turn seven, but unlike race one when he crashed, the Turkish star remained aboard his R1 as he pushed Bautista wide.
The battling brought Rea back into contention but it was too late for the six-time world champion to make an impression.
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Re: WSBK- Argentina San Juan Villicum
I think it’ll be a struggle to keep Bautista from winning over full race distance, it’s actually bullshit the rate he passes on the straights especially that back straight. You can easily count on one hand this season the amount of times Bautista has passed anywhere else other than the end of a straight, it’s fucking angering me
Full credit to Toprak and Jonathan they properly rode the arse off of their bikes. They put on a good show, worth watching, none of this cruising by on the straights pish.
Full credit to Toprak and Jonathan they properly rode the arse off of their bikes. They put on a good show, worth watching, none of this cruising by on the straights pish.
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So the fact Toprak has a better front end than the Ducati means nothing?wull wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:40 pm I think it’ll be a struggle to keep Bautista from winning over full race distance, it’s actually bullshit the rate he passes on the straights especially that back straight. You can easily count on one hand this season the amount of times Bautista has passed anywhere else other than the end of a straight, it’s fucking angering me
Full credit to Toprak and Jonathan they properly rode the arse off of their bikes. They put on a good show, worth watching, none of this cruising by on the straights pish.
Or the fact the kwak has better punch out of corners?
Bautista still has to get round, still has to manage tyres, still has to brake, corner etc. It's not a magic carpet. He makes the most of the power yes, however ask the other Ducati riders if theirs is too fast.
If it was, they'd all be running at the front.
Right bike, right rider.
No one complained about his weight when he was on a Honda, now he gets a bike he can ride and he's the anti Christ.
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I think you’re missing my comment where I clearly state perfect combination of rider and bike, not just one or the other.
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Just in case you missed it.
I heard the commentators say that Alvaro made up 0.5s on the back straight on one lap alone.
wull wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:01 am I think the Superpole race today will awesome, 10 laps of madness.
The only thing every man and their dug are talking about just now is the speed of that Ducati on the straights, I mean it’s blatantly obvious and you can’t bring Rinaldi into it because he’s just shit everywhere else in comparison to Bautista, it’s the perfect combination of body weight, size and bike. If Bautista can be similar to Jonathan and Toprak everywhere else on track then make up 3 tenths on the straight then the advantage of that is massive, then you have Jonathan and Toprak having to ride even harder to keep up and they absolutely destroy their tyre in the process.
The fact Bautista can go faster later in the race once the fuel level has dropped, pretty much the only person that can do that race after race with the Pirelli tyre, his tyre lasts, like I said the perfect combination of him and the bike, his riding style as well, it all comes together perfectly.
I heard the commentators say that Alvaro made up 0.5s on the back straight on one lap alone.
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I hear that Toprak made up 8 bike lengths on the brakes.
Do you want Ducati to make it slower?
Do you want Ducati to make it slower?
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What’s the problem here? Why are you having a go at me over this? Same old same old, we’re talking about them and you actually have a go at our own opinions regarding it. Beggars belief.
And that comment isn’t even comparable, totally different. Being better on the brakes is more a rider skill versus having a bike that clearly has the legs on the straights, there is absolutely no issues with the Ducati’s brakes.
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I've just watched the Superpole race on catch up.
I died of a heart attack on the last lap... I got better.
I died of a heart attack on the last lap... I got better.
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I'm not having a go. Don't be over sensitive. I'm disagreeing with you, nothing more.wull wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:58 pmWhat’s the problem here? Why are you having a go at me over this? Same old same old, we’re talking about them and you actually have a go at our own opinions regarding it. Beggars belief.
And that comment isn’t even comparable, totally different. Being better on the brakes is more a rider skill versus having a bike that clearly has the legs on the straights, there is absolutely no issues with the Ducati’s brakes.
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Quite a race already - surprised myself that we're less than halfway in yet.
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I take it back, second half was dull enough to fall asleep to. Toseland helped with that though.
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It seems that I don't have psychic powers. No matter how hard I tried, Bautista didn't fall off.
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Stop watching then, stick to that even more “duller” Moto GP.
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2022 WORLD SUPERBIKE SAN JUAN, ARGENTINA - RACE RESULTS (2)
POS RIDER NAT TEAM TIME
1 Alvaro Bautista SPA Aruba.It Racing Ducati 21 Laps
2 Toprak Razgatlioglu TUR PATA Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK +3.389s
3 Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing Team WorldSBK +9.784s
4 Alex Lowes GBR Kawasaki Racing Team WorldSBK +11.650s
5 Michael Rinaldi ITA Aruba.It Racing Ducati +15.656s
6 Xavi Vierge SPA Team HRC WorldSBK +16.381s
7 Iker Lecuona SPA Team HRC WorldSBK +16.584s
8 Andrea Locatelli ITA PATA Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK +20.401s
9 Scott Redding GBR BMW Motorrad WorldSBK Team +21.420s
10 Michael Van Der Mark SPA BMW Motorrad WorldSBK Team +22.413s
11 Eugene Laverty IRL Bonovo Action BMW +30.732s
12 Garrett Gerloff USA GRT Yamaha WorldSBK Team +32.655s
13 Xavi Fores SPA Barni Spark Ducati Team +34.058s
14 Philipp Oettl GER GoEleven Ducati +38.422s
15 Lucas Mahias FRA Puccetti Kawasaki +39.689s
16 Kohta Nozane JPN GRT Yamaha +41.107s
17 Loris Baz FRA Bonovo Action BMW +44.469s
18 Oliver Konig CZE Orelac Racing Kawasaki +49.119s
19 Leandro Mercado ARG MIE Honda Racing +54.421s
20 Axel Bassani ITA Motocorsa Ducati +1'06.518s
21 Maximilian Scheib GER MIE Honda Racing +1'17.049s
22 Marco Solorza ARG Pedercini Kawasaki +1'37.575s