Tufton Street

[cheb]

Belgium managed for a couple of years IIRC a few years back.

Can I suggest we get the Italian government involved as advisors for short term Premier terms. And since they voted in some Fascists we might be able to get the trains to run on time too.

[Ant]

There's nothing fascist about them.

[cheb]

They are to the right of centre, ergo they are fascists. The other side of the centre are the woke loony lefties.

[Skub]

Your lot are getting as bad as our lot.

Our lot are refusing to go to work,so it looks like there'll be another election called,which will re-elect the same twats who will again refuse to sit in government. Round and round,plus a cost of £6.5 million for the election.

Terry Pratchett couldn't make it up.

Hmmm...so, the country keeps going without any politicians 'governing' it.....

And,they still get paid.

[Taipan]

The Tory party is only good for Billionaires and not ordinary people. Check your bank a/c to see which you are!

[Ant]

The Tory party is only good for Billionaires and not ordinary people. Check your bank a/c to see which you are!

Well actually, they've been better for us than Labour were. Our tax free allowance is far higher, in fact double than it was under Labour, Labour took more money off the ordinary working person, the Conservatives have taken less off us.

[Ant]

They are to the right of centre, ergo they are fascists. The other side of the centre are the woke loony lefties.

That is not the definition of fascist and they're hardly right of centre. Stop reading left wing biased nonsense.

[Yambo]

I'm relieved you understand the situation.

[Count Steer]

The Tory party is only good for Billionaires and not ordinary people. Check your bank a/c to see which you are!

Well actually, they've been better for us than Labour were. Our tax free allowance is far higher, in fact double than it was under Labour, Labour took more money off the ordinary working person, the Conservatives have taken less off us.

Tax free allowance generally rises with inflation and the 'low taxation party' did this:

Howe raised VAT from 8 to 15% in 1979
Lamont raised VAT to 17.5% in 1991
Lamont put VAT on fuel and power in 1994 (Gordon Brown reduced it to 5%)
Osborne raised VAT to 20% in 2011

They're as hooked on tax as anyone else they just siphon it off in different ways. So, you may get more £ in your pay packet, just don't spend it.

[cheb]

I still won't vote for the Liberals as they've never apologised for introducing the window tax.

[Ant]

The Tory party is only good for Billionaires and not ordinary people. Check your bank a/c to see which you are!

Well actually, they've been better for us than Labour were. Our tax free allowance is far higher, in fact double than it was under Labour, Labour took more money off the ordinary working person, the Conservatives have taken less off us.

Tax free allowance generally rises with inflation and the 'low taxation party' did this:

Howe raised VAT from 8 to 15% in 1979
Lamont raised VAT to 17.5% in 1991
Lamont put VAT on fuel and power in 1994 (Gordon Brown reduced it to 5%)
Osborne raised VAT to 20% in 2011

They're as hooked on tax as anyone else they just siphon it off in different ways. So, you may get more £ in your pay packet, just don't spend it.

That still works out cheaper, as you saved all of the 20% on those earnings from £6k odd to about £12,500 odd. That's more money than the 20% on stuff you don't buy often. If Labour get in, the big fear is the tax free allowance will go down and we'll have no choice in it as you can't save it by not spending it if it's taken off you in the first place.

However, inflation has been at an all time low, with the increased personal allowance.

[Pirahna]

Well actually, they've been better for us than Labour were. Our tax free allowance is far higher, in fact double than it was under Labour, Labour took more money off the ordinary working person, the Conservatives have taken less off us.

Tax free allowance generally rises with inflation and the 'low taxation party' did this:

Howe raised VAT from 8 to 15% in 1979
Lamont raised VAT to 17.5% in 1991
Lamont put VAT on fuel and power in 1994 (Gordon Brown reduced it to 5%)
Osborne raised VAT to 20% in 2011

They're as hooked on tax as anyone else they just siphon it off in different ways. So, you may get more £ in your pay packet, just don't spend it.

That still works out cheaper, as you saved all of the 20% on those earnings from £6k odd to about £12,500 odd. That's more money than the 20% on stuff you don't buy often. If Labour get in, the big fear is the tax free allowance will go down and we'll have no choice in it as you can't save it by not spending it if it's taken off you in the first place.

However, inflation has been at an all time low, with the increased personal allowance.

In case you missed it, and I've posted about it before, the tax free allowance is frozen until 2025. This was done by Sunak and has not been undone by the following 3 chancellor's. What it means is that I'm real terms you're on a loser, it more than covers the "unfunded" cuts made in the mini budget but somehow the press seems to miss this.

[Cousin Jack]

What we NEED (but won't get) is a smaller Government. Then we can have smaller tax bills.

Government, both National and Local, has grown enormously over my lifetime, and consumes an ever-growing proportion of our pay. We need to decide as a nation what Government must do (eg essential stuff like defence, police), what it perhaps ought to do (NHS, education, welfare) and all the rest should be ditched. Then it needs to take a good long and very hard look at the 'ought to do' list to see how much of it it ought to do. The correct answer is a LOT less than it does at present.

[cheb]

What we NEED (but won't get) is a smaller Government. Then we can have smaller tax bills.

Government, both National and Local, has grown enormously over my lifetime, and consumes an ever-growing proportion of our pay. We need to decide as a nation what Government must do (eg essential stuff like defence, police), what it perhaps ought to do (NHS, education, welfare) and all the rest should be ditched. Then it needs to take a good long and very hard look at the 'ought to do' list to see how much of it it ought to do. The correct answer is a LOT less than it does at present.

My very unreliable memory and a bottle of fizzy red wine makes me think of Office Life by Keith Waterhouse. Plot: A low level bureaucrat discovers he is employed to to do meaningless work by the government as it's better for the statistics than having him on the dole. The name of the company he works for is Perfidious Albion.

[Cousin Jack]

Fizzy red wine? Hsve you no shame?

[irie]

The new government is a triumvirate of the Bank of England, the Treasury, and the IMF.

[Pirahna]

The new government is a triumvirate of the Bank of England, the Treasury, and the IMF.

Before you cast your vote, take a step back and have a long hard look at yourself and where you get your information from, then vote for anybody that isn't a Tory.

[cheb]

Fizzy red wine? Hsve you no shame?

None at all.

[Mr Moofo]

I still won't vote for the Liberals as they've never apologised for introducing the window tax.

Still haven't forgiven them for what happened to Rinka !

[irie]

The new government is a triumvirate of the Bank of England, the Treasury, and the IMF.

Before you cast your vote, take a step back and have a long hard look at yourself and where you get your information from, then vote for anybody that isn't a Tory.

So essentially vote tribally as you do.