New Hornet

[Couchy]

As a big fan of lower powered bikes, CB500's and Honda's in general I could see one of these in the garage for the occasional ride and trackday.

When I say lower powered remember when the GPZ600R,CBR600F etc came out they were less power....

[A_morti]

I was gonna say the wheels look pretty high spec - the spokes are really thin. But they are on the CBR650 too. Honda clearly invested in higher spec wheel manufacture

The forks are Showa big piston, the brakes are Nissin radial and the wheels look pretty decent. They are all identical to everything from the CB125R upwards. Economies of scale 101!

[Mr. Dazzle]

The CB1000R looks way higher spec in person when you see it. They look pretty dull in pics, but they seem 10 times more high end in real life. Maybe this Hornet is the same.

[A_morti]

Someone earlier was saying the cb650r has poor build quality. I saw one parked a few metres from the sea yesterday, where it always parks. Next to a Benelli 250 which is always parked nearby. The CB still looks good, the Benelli has rusty fixings and paint peeling all over it.

[ChrisW]

When I say lower powered remember when the GPZ600R,CBR600F etc came out they were less power....

I was watching the 44teeth dyno run on the Fireblade that came out a day or two ago - did a quick double take when they were whooping and cheering for 100bhp

[Supermofo]

When I say lower powered remember when the GPZ600R,CBR600F etc came out they were less power....

I was watching the 44teeth dyno run on the Fireblade that came out a day or two ago - did a quick double take when they were whooping and cheering for 100bhp

I did wonder if it was a conservative dyno. Although my 96 Blade my 112bhp as standard on Harris's dyno, 119bhp with dynojet kit, filter and exhaust so Blades were never big power. So Al's was I think 106bhp which isn't bad at near 30 years old I guess.

Be interesting what the Hornet puts out on a dyno as its a lot more than the MT07 quoted. If it's 100bhp at the back wheel it should be fun as that's what my Firestorm was.

[Couchy]

When I say lower powered remember when the GPZ600R,CBR600F etc came out they were less power....

I was watching the 44teeth dyno run on the Fireblade that came out a day or two ago - did a quick double take when they were whooping and cheering for 100bhp

I did wonder if it was a conservative dyno. Although my 96 Blade my 112bhp as standard on Harris's dyno, 119bhp with dynojet kit, filter and exhaust so Blades were never big power. So Al's was I think 106bhp which isn't bad at near 30 years old I guess.

Be interesting what the Hornet puts out on a dyno as its a lot more than the MT07 quoted. If it's 100bhp at the back wheel it should be fun as that's what my Firestorm was.

MT07 dyno at 65ish hp at the wheel on most dynos, this hornet will be 80ish at the wheel which is a fair jump over an MT07 which is lively enough to have fun on road and track so bodes well for the Honda

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Someone earlier was saying the cb650r has poor build quality. I saw one parked a few metres from the sea yesterday, where it always parks. Next to a Benelli 250 which is always parked nearby. The CB still looks good, the Benelli has rusty fixings and paint peeling all over it.

I did say that, but I wasn't comparing them with Chinese budget bikes.

When I bought my GSXS750 a year ago I looked at CB650s and CBR650s and they all had rusty disc centres and corroded rear shocks, none of them looked worth the £6K dealers were asking for them.

[McNab]

Someone earlier was saying the cb650r has poor build quality. I saw one parked a few metres from the sea yesterday, where it always parks. Next to a Benelli 250 which is always parked nearby. The CB still looks good, the Benelli has rusty fixings and paint peeling all over it.

Is a Benelli really the best yardstick for quality?

[A_morti]

Nah, but they were parked right next to each other and the comparison was striking.

[The Spin Doctor]

Someone earlier was saying the cb650r has poor build quality. I saw one parked a few metres from the sea yesterday, where it always parks. Next to a Benelli 250 which is always parked nearby. The CB still looks good, the Benelli has rusty fixings and paint peeling all over it.

I did say that, but I wasn't comparing them with Chinese budget bikes.

When I bought my GSXS750 a year ago I looked at CB650s and CBR650s and they all had rusty disc centres and corroded rear shocks, none of them looked worth the £6K dealers were asking for them.

How much is down to the owners, though?

My 130k mile GS500 still looked pretty good and I hardly ever cleaned it - just made sure it was waxed up regularly. Yet everyone says what crap the finish on those was.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Someone earlier was saying the cb650r has poor build quality. I saw one parked a few metres from the sea yesterday, where it always parks. Next to a Benelli 250 which is always parked nearby. The CB still looks good, the Benelli has rusty fixings and paint peeling all over it.

I did say that, but I wasn't comparing them with Chinese budget bikes.

When I bought my GSXS750 a year ago I looked at CB650s and CBR650s and they all had rusty disc centres and corroded rear shocks, none of them looked worth the £6K dealers were asking for them.

How much is down to the owners, though?

My 130k mile GS500 still looked pretty good and I hardly ever cleaned it - just made sure it was waxed up regularly. Yet everyone says what crap the finish on those was.

It was probably down to the owners, do Hondas attract people less likely to clean their bikes than Suzukis? (and Triumphs btw)

It also could have been the Honda dealers I went to over price bikes and don't prepare them very well, I was looking for a modern day FZ750 and thought the CBR560 really fitted the bill, instead I bought a modern day Bandit.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Or maybe £6k just isn't that much to pay in a dealer these days.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Or maybe £6k just isn't that much to pay in a dealer these days.

I managed to buy a higher spec newer Suzuki for £6.5K, I could also have bought an older but very good condition Triumph for the same money.

[Couchy]

I did say that, but I wasn't comparing them with Chinese budget bikes.

When I bought my GSXS750 a year ago I looked at CB650s and CBR650s and they all had rusty disc centres and corroded rear shocks, none of them looked worth the £6K dealers were asking for them.

How much is down to the owners, though?

My 130k mile GS500 still looked pretty good and I hardly ever cleaned it - just made sure it was waxed up regularly. Yet everyone says what crap the finish on those was.

It was probably down to the owners, do Hondas attract people less likely to clean their bikes than Suzukis? (and Triumphs btw)

It also could have been the Honda dealers I went to over price bikes and don't prepare them very well, I was looking for a modern day FZ750 and thought the CBR560 really fitted the bill, instead I bought a modern day Bandit.

The condition was down to how they've been cared for or not, these bikes are aimed at beginners and a lot don't know how to look after them. us lot would keep most bikes mint as we've been doing it years and know what's needed.

[A_morti]

KarDesign has been remixing the new Hornet:
https://www.kardesignkoncepts.com/konce ... ornet-750/

• Nevermind the triple engine. The bike can't make over 94hp by design to be A2 restrictable, and it's at 90hp with a twin so more cylinders aren't required but would add a chunk to the price while reducing economy.

• The high exhaust should've been a given if you're calling it a Hornet, and would've allowed more commonality with the coming Transalp

• The bike is much nicer with a CB650R headlight which is truer to original and already in the parts bin as much as the CB500F one is

• The CB650R swingarm couldn't be that much more expensive than the CB500F one, right? Anyway I think most of us would pay that difference

The single swingarm from the CB1000R looks aces, but it's not realistic spec on a budget bike.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Probably not feasible to get the modern emissions stuff in the exhaust up there.

*waits for a million people to post pictures of new bikes with high mounted exhausts*

[A_morti]

Probably not feasible to get the modern emissions stuff in the exhaust up there.

AFAIK euro 5 has meant most bikes will have one catalytic converter in the headers, plus one in the silencer.
I reckon as long as you put the (first) cat pretty near the motor, you'll be alright for emissions? Heat management around the silencer would probably be an issue though, cats get pretty hot.

*waits for a million people to post pictures of new bikes with high mounted exhausts*

Can you think of any Euro5 bike with the exhaust mounted up high? Either under the seat, or right near the rear bodywork?

[Taipan]

He made abetter looking version than Honda did...

[Mr. Dazzle]

Can you think of any Euro5 bike with the exhaust mounted up high? Either under the seat, or right near the rear bodywork?

No, mostly 'cause they need to get hot to work properly - hence why so many bikes have really short fat exhausts now.