Horse wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:09 am
I can't see what a smart meter would add to my saving energy.
You'll be able to take advantage of this fabled "we'll pay you not to use power at peak times" tariff, if it ever materialises.
Ah, the 'run your washing machine on full spin - that'll keep you awake - and your tumble - burn the house down while you sleep - dryer at night' tarif?
I already run my washing machine and dishwasher in the middle of the night, I load 'em up as you do but put the delayed start on. I know it puts less demand on the grid, which is why I do it. Our washing machine is the modern direct drive type, I was amazed how quiet it was when I first got it, frequently I'd go back to check I'd actually turned it on!
Makin' a difference
Google says the "demand flexibility service" trial starts next Month, beginning with OVO.
Some bugger in my building runs their washing machine late evening - well, 23:00 so night time really!! LOL I wouldn't mind if they'd made any effort to put the machine on something to dull the noise of the spin. But, in a concrete building with a machine on the concrete floor - it's bastard loud late at night!!!
I only run mine in the day because it's under the bed!! I don't need that hassle! But I did also buy a mat thing to put the machine on so that when it rattles, the mat dulls the noise (and hopefully stops it around much as well!!)
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Mussels wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:47 am
automatic half hour readings from a gen2 smart meter would be more useful. Half hour readings would still be of limited use to me, I'd like every minute or better.
Why?
I keep looking at clamp on energy meters, but have resisted pulling the trigger. I use what I use, only 3 things left on stand by and 2 left on fully 24/7, so by my reckoning knowing more detail is pointless and would just add another device plugged in 24/7
I'd want more frequent as lots of things can switch on and off in half an hour, as someone else mentioned it's very useful for leccy companies and not so useful for me.
I bought a clamp meter but when I read the instructions it only works if you split the cables and clamp just the live, not much use to me.
Noggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:59 am runs their washing machine late evening - well, 23:00 so night time really!! LOL I wouldn't mind if they'd made any effort to put the machine on something to dull the noise of the spin. But, in a concrete building with a machine on the concrete floor - it's bastard loud late at night!!!
Ours in on a dense rubbery mat, but under that is a laminate floor, on thin foam, on bouncy 1930s wood floorboards.
On full spin the bloody thing 'walks' as far as the hoses allow.
Noggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:59 am runs their washing machine late evening - well, 23:00 so night time really!! LOL I wouldn't mind if they'd made any effort to put the machine on something to dull the noise of the spin. But, in a concrete building with a machine on the concrete floor - it's bastard loud late at night!!!
Ours in on a dense rubbery mat, but under that is a laminate floor, on thin foam, on bouncy 1930s wood floorboards.
On full spin the bloody thing 'walks' as far as the hoses allow.
TBF, mine moves a bit. But it doesn't vibrate the building as much as before the mat thingy!!
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Horse wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:29 pm
Ours in on a dense rubbery mat, but under that is a laminate floor, on thin foam, on bouncy 1930s wood floorboards.
On full spin the bloody thing 'walks' as far as the hoses allow.
You don't need to put all the washing in at once you know.
Noggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:59 am runs their washing machine late evening - well, 23:00 so night time really!! LOL I wouldn't mind if they'd made any effort to put the machine on something to dull the noise of the spin. But, in a concrete building with a machine on the concrete floor - it's bastard loud late at night!!!
Ours in on a dense rubbery mat, but under that is a laminate floor, on thin foam, on bouncy 1930s wood floorboards.
On full spin the bloody thing 'walks' as far as the hoses allow.
Direct drive machine on a tiled floor which is in turn concrete underneath. S'not going anywhere
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:20 am
Smart meters are s con. The industry want them so that rhey can introduce demand-based tariffs, ie more expensive when YOU want it, cheap when no bugger wants it
I havent got one, dont want one, and shall continue being a Luddite for the forseeable future.
My leccy is half price at night, and I make as much use of it as I can. I don't need a smart meter to tell me that using half price leccy is cheaper than full price
I had economy seven leccy years ago until I worked out that even running everything I could at cheap rate the overall price was still much higher than with a standard tariff.
It didn't dawn on me at first that the day rate would be so much higher than normal.
Mussels wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:15 pm
I had economy seven leccy years ago until I worked out that even running everything I could at cheap rate the overall price was still much higher than with a standard tariff.
It didn't dawn on me at first that the day rate would be so much higher than normal.
That's what I've read out here. And considering the only 'overnight' thing I could use is the washing machine, I'm sticking with a basic tariff!!
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Mussels wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:15 pm
I had economy seven leccy years ago until I worked out that even running everything I could at cheap rate the overall price was still much higher than with a standard tariff.
It didn't dawn on me at first that the day rate would be so much higher than normal.
And the moral of that is always distrust a "bargain". Sometimes it is, often it is a con to extract more money from you
Hoonercat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:06 pm
If Nord Stream's (1) own bumph about the pipeline is true, it's hard to see how this was anything other than sabotage
Owing to the high quality of the materials involved and the conservative design of the pipelines, damage and deformation are highly unlikely. In fact, the probability of pipeline failure or leakage is as low as one damage event every 100,000 years.
There are actually 4 pipelines, only 3 were damaged with one of NS2's pipelines remaining useable. On September 7th, Putin was busy telling Europe that NS2 could be 'used straight away' if sanctions were lifted against it, 3 days later the company responsible for its maintenance and operation (Nord Stream 2 AG) applied to have its bankruptcy extended by 4 months, which was granted by a Swiss court (they laid off their entire workforce months earlier). Putin didn't get anywhere with his 'offer' so tried again a few days later, and despite a few calls in Germany for NS2 to be opened, it was again pretty much ignored by the German govt.
NS1 is as good as dead since Putin backed himself into a corner by stating it could no longer deliver gas to Europe, but he still has hopes of convincing Germany to change its stance on NS2. Is he playing mind games with the German public, showing how vulnerable the pipelines are as winter approaches but leaving one operational as a way of saying 'if you want it you should take it while you still can'? Or maybe the US is worried that Germany may reconsider opening NS2 if winter is harsh, but failed to destroy all 4 pipelines? Somehow that seems like too big a risk on their part...
It has been suggested that this could be Russia's way of seeking force majeure which could avoid it having to pay billions in compensation to its customers, but why also damage NS2?
And as of today, still trying...
"The ball, as they say, is now in the European Union's court - let them just open the tap," Mr Putin said on Wednesday at the annual Russian Energy Week in Moscow....
At the Moscow forum, Mr Putin described the leaks an "act of international terrorism". But he said Russia was ready to resume supplies via the one intact part of Nord Stream 2.
