Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

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Slenver wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:19 am
Couchy wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:57 am Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.
I wasn't in a position to buy an electric car anyway, but would certainly have considered it for my/our next car. There's no way currently though, the maths has been skewed by the price rises.

I have a couple of friends with fixed nighttime tariffs and solar panels etc, and it works out as peanuts for them. But with domestic prices going up to 35p/unit* it pretty much negates any running cost advantage and there's still the up front purchase costs. So I wouldn't consider one at all for the time being.

*Obviously the actual cost of electricity is some weird secret for some reason and we have to work back from the mythical 'price cap' but I think I read on MSE that it was 35p in my region.
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The polluters are paying. :thumbup:
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FWIW I think the price of electricity has gone up due to market forces, not some sort of government plot.
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Asian Boss wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:36 pm If you’re on a standard variable tariff: The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2022
Average is 34.0p, varies by region. They range from 33.08p to 36.02p. Gas from 10.19 to 10.5p, but I don't have gas so don't care :)

Figures here, you'll need to open the dropdown.

Though actually, I misread the table and I'll be 34.09 not 35 anyway :)
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Slenver wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:41 pm
Asian Boss wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:36 pm If you’re on a standard variable tariff: The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2022
Average is 34.0p, varies by region. They range from 33.08p to 36.02p. Gas from 10.19 to 10.5p, but I don't have gas so don't care :)

Figures here, you'll need to open the dropdown.
Sorry. I wasn't aware of that variation. My energy bills are fairly low so I haven't really looked into it.
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Asian Boss wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:44 pmSorry. I wasn't aware of that variation. My energy bills are fairly low so I haven't really looked into it.
Quite alright :)

There's always been that variation since the price caps were introduced I think. I guess that's one of the reasons they use the bizarre 'average home price cap' nonsense, as a failed way of trying to keep it simple for the peasants.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:29 pm People going to work predates personal cars by a century or ten.

I've just realised that the complaint about people living in terraced housing with no off road parking has quite a lot of links to the historical need for people to live close to work. That amuses me for some reason.
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Trouble was, apart from a few areas, no provision was made for car parking in the terraced streets and having off street parking now puts a better premium on your property than an extension!
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If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.
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Mussels wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:01 am If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.
Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
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Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am
Mussels wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:01 am If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.
Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
I'm considering, at some point, buying a small place in the valley to let out in the winter, but somewhere close enough to 'everything' for the day I really am too old to live up here - on the basis that virtually everything is closed for 5 months of the year!! Not keen on the idea, but it's currently my 'long term' back up plan!!
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Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am
Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
I'll move into town when I'm too old and infirm to do anything except drive a mobility scooter to the doctors.
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I'd love to see what help is being given to those of us not on the gas grid* and being gouged by heating oil and/or Calor gas prices.
On the plus side, instead of being 3x the price of gas it'll now only be 45% higher. :roll:



* The same who are subsidising those train and bus rides that aren't any use to us either. :(
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Kneerly Down wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:06 pm * The same who are subsidising those train and bus rides that aren't any use to us either. :(
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Think of it as insurance, so they're there when you need them ;)
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Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am
Mussels wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:01 am If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.
Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
Less crime? Less pollution? Less traffic? (Not that you'd think there was less crime or traffic if you plugged into the stream of angst and anger that is nextdoor.com. :( ).

Village is OK, but only while you can drive/ride...and there's a city not far away. :thumbup:
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Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
Fewer people. That's the win for me. 8-)
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Skub wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:33 pm
Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
Fewer people. That's the win for me. 8-)
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Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am
Mussels wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:01 am If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.
Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
I'm not sure less than the village we're in is really possible. But the answer is, I'm sitting outside and it's silent
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weeksy wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:48 pm
Taipan wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:15 am Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! :wtf: I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!
I'm not sure less than the village we're in is really possible. But the answer is, I'm sitting outside and it's silent
B-inL was keen to get away from 'noise'. They moved to a village. Farmer was starting his tractor at 5am.

Where they are now (after a couple more moves -"This time, I'm not moving to anywhere where the nearest road has a white line down the centre") is, to be fair, very quiet.

But it's an hour from big shops, main hospital, car servicing. The 'post office' is a van twice weekly in the nearby village. No buses nearby. Nearest railway is miles away. No taxis, etc.

They may be moving again, from their 'forever home'.
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I'm not knocking you lot, each to their own and all that, but living in silence with a tiny population would drive me mad! I want, nay, need interaction, such as multiple pubs, restaurants, shops, markets, transport links and all within walking distance! A market or coastal town is my idyll!
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Move to Louth, its a market town with a busy old fashioned centre and its at the arse end of nowhere. :thumbup: