Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Couchy]

Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.

[Slenver]

Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.

I wasn't in a position to buy an electric car anyway, but would certainly have considered it for my/our next car. There's no way currently though, the maths has been skewed by the price rises.

I have a couple of friends with fixed nighttime tariffs and solar panels etc, and it works out as peanuts for them. But with domestic prices going up to 35p/unit* it pretty much negates any running cost advantage and there's still the up front purchase costs. So I wouldn't consider one at all for the time being.

*Obviously the actual cost of electricity is some weird secret for some reason and we have to work back from the mythical 'price cap' but I think I read on MSE that it was 35p in my region.

[Potter]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

In fact, this is dangerously close to a conspiracy theory, but I think overall as resources get stretched there is an undercurrent of policy to push the unwashed masses back into their place and make luxury travel or items only available to the wealthy - there isn't enough to go around.

[Slenver]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

I don't think it's either.

My problem with any conspiracy theories is that you have to have a base assumption that the government is capable of having an agenda at all.

[Noggin]

CoolBus are the biggest 'local' transfer company and definitely have led the way in EVs for transfers

http://skiflightfree.org/coolbus-update ... dduHdKOyMU

Electricity in the valley mostly (all?) comes from water - huge dam below Tignes and an electricity station at the bottom of the route down from there. So, not only do the EVs produce no fumes, the electricity isn't produced at a power station. Given the massive pollution in the valley on Saturdays (summer and winter) this is pretty awesome and will be fab if more companies can find a way to do similar. It does mean adjustments for breaks between transfers but charging stations are being built in 'useful' places near airports (ok, mostly Geneva at the mo!) and the network across France is improving all the time

Anyway. I think it's really positive Not least due to the people (mostly out here) that keep saying it isn't possible due to the cold!!

[Yambo]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

[Potter]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

I don't think it's either.

My problem with any conspiracy theories is that you have to have a base assumption that the government is capable of having an agenda at all.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

Wrong thread for this discussion but it's not the governments agenda, it's the agenda of people that influence governments.

[Couchy]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

Thing is electric used for cars hasn't had any duty added to it yet, it will come or they will start charging per mile to use the roads making it even more expensive. The days of cheap motoring are def on the way out. I do wonder how those on low wages will afford a car to get to work. We could find 1000's of low paid people unable to get to work, especially those on shifts where public transport isn't an option. Surely we need the lower paid going to work as a lot of stuff they do is needed

[slowsider]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

Thing is electric used for cars hasn't had any duty added to it yet, it will come or they will start charging per mile to use the roads making it even more expensive. The days of cheap motoring are def on the way out. I do wonder how those on low wages will afford a car to get to work. We could find 1000's of low paid people unable to get to work, especially those on shifts where public transport isn't an option. Surely we need the lower paid going to work as a lot of stuff they do is needed

Before the advent of cheap transport the lower paid lived close to work. If workers can't travel, business will have to decentralise.
Think of the health benefits

[Mr. Dazzle]

People going to work predates personal cars by a century or ten.

I've just realised that the complaint about people living in terraced housing with no off road parking has quite a lot of links to the historical need for people to live close to work. That amuses me for some reason.

[Asian Boss]

Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.

I wasn't in a position to buy an electric car anyway, but would certainly have considered it for my/our next car. There's no way currently though, the maths has been skewed by the price rises.

I have a couple of friends with fixed nighttime tariffs and solar panels etc, and it works out as peanuts for them. But with domestic prices going up to 35p/unit* it pretty much negates any running cost advantage and there's still the up front purchase costs. So I wouldn't consider one at all for the time being.

*Obviously the actual cost of electricity is some weird secret for some reason and we have to work back from the mythical 'price cap' but I think I read on MSE that it was 35p in my region.

If you’re on a standard variable tariff: The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2022

[Asian Boss]

The polluters are paying.

[Asian Boss]

FWIW I think the price of electricity has gone up due to market forces, not some sort of government plot.

[Slenver]

If you’re on a standard variable tariff: The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2022

Average is 34.0p, varies by region. They range from 33.08p to 36.02p. Gas from 10.19 to 10.5p, but I don't have gas so don't care

Figures here, you'll need to open the dropdown.

Though actually, I misread the table and I'll be 34.09 not 35 anyway

[Asian Boss]

If you’re on a standard variable tariff: The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2022

Average is 34.0p, varies by region. They range from 33.08p to 36.02p. Gas from 10.19 to 10.5p, but I don't have gas so don't care

Figures here, you'll need to open the dropdown.

Sorry. I wasn't aware of that variation. My energy bills are fairly low so I haven't really looked into it.

[Slenver]

Sorry. I wasn't aware of that variation. My energy bills are fairly low so I haven't really looked into it.

Quite alright

There's always been that variation since the price caps were introduced I think. I guess that's one of the reasons they use the bizarre 'average home price cap' nonsense, as a failed way of trying to keep it simple for the peasants.

[Potter]

Lol, if you suggest to the average worker now that they should cycle to work they look at you like you're insane.

There was a school near our old house and the road was always blocked by fat mums bringing their fat kids to school in cars.
People near our new place are filling the FB group with complaints about traffic because the only road out of the village is being dug up for something, one bloke moaned yesterday that his place of work is two miles away and he could walk quicker - I replied that maybe he should and he rebuked me for a stupid comment - he genuinely thinks that walking two miles to work is preposterous.

[Taipan]

People going to work predates personal cars by a century or ten.

I've just realised that the complaint about people living in terraced housing with no off road parking has quite a lot of links to the historical need for people to live close to work. That amuses me for some reason.

I live in a new town, built around and old one, by the CNT (commission for new towns). They built lots of industrial areas connected by a good cycle path network which worked very well, with 16:00 turning the cycle paths into a scene from China!

Trouble was, apart from a few areas, no provision was made for car parking in the terraced streets and having off street parking now puts a better premium on your property than an extension!

[Mussels]

If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.

[Taipan]

If needed people will switch back to working locally and cycling but they won't like it forced on them.
I used to cycle 30 miles a day for my commute but I had chosen and planned it, now if I was told I had to cycle three miles to the train station I'd be annoyed.

As things change people will plan their lives around those changes and adapt, if personal travel becomes more expensive then towns might again be more desirable than villages.

Always wondered why people often want to retire to where there is less of everything! I wouldn't live in a village anyway, but if I did, i'd move into town when I retired!