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Unless you’re living in one of those rule-free American states where they let tipsy 13-year-olds ride drag bikes on public roads without helmets, you’ll know what I mean when I say the dreaded words, “Beginner Motorcycle”. They’re the ones learner riders need to buy before they can get their hands on a big, proper bike. Now, when I was learning to ride, there were a bunch of well-known rules for these bikes.

Firstly and most importantly, they had to be really embarrassing. So embarrassing, in fact, that you’d park down the far end of the street and walk to the local cafe rather than be seen on one. Secondly, they had to be totally underpowered, almost to the point of being dangerous bikes to ride. Also, they had to have been owned by approximately 27 other riders before yourself and then passed down to you like some weird tribal ritual or rite of passage.

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And lastly, they were to be sold off on the very same day you received your full, “I can buy a real motorcycle now” license and not a second afterwards. In many ways, they were a kind of test to make you prove to yourself and to other road users that you were serious about this whole riding motorcycles thing. So serious in fact, that you were willing to put yourself through many months—or even years—of shame, lack of usable power, and general crapness.

For what seemed like an eternity, manufacturers didn’t really seem to be able to get their heads around this issue. After all, they were selling plenty of these bikes, so all was good in the world. But what they missed was the fact that no one wanted to keep them, so they were shared around like joints at a college party—and as such, a single bike would be sold and then shared many times over. The result? Fewer sales for the manufacturers.

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But then someone had a crazy idea. What if—shock; horror—a bike could be OK for beginner riders and look cool? And what if it wasn’t gutless, but instead had a useable amount of power and torque? That would mean you weren’t in danger when you were learning to ride, but once you were proficient, it would still put a smile on your face and wouldn’t need to be revved to a million RPMs up a hill. Enter, stage left, the Yamaha XSR700.

Now in its second generation, the Australian Yamaha XSR motorcycle series consists of two bikes: the twin 655cc 700 and the triple 899cc 900. We’ll focus on the XSR 700 here, but keep an eye out for the 900 review next month.

Some dry technical specs first: this model is unique to Australia insofar as its cylinders are sleeved and its intake is restricted specifically to pass the local LAMS (or Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme) requirements, meaning that the engine has to be smaller than 660cc’s and its power to weight ratio must be less than 150 kw (or 200 hp) per metric tonne. So the Aussie XSR700 puts out about 7 kW (or 9 hp) under the full-cream OS donk.

The 2022 model has a new LED headlight, a larger front brake disc, and a revised cockpit layout. Its 11:1 compression and gallopy, 270° crossplane-cranked engine outputs 38.3 kw @ 8000rpm (or 51 hp) and 57.5nm @ 4000rpm (or 42 ft-lb), which compares to 55 kw @ 9000rpm (or 74 hp) and 68 nm @ 6500rpm (or 50 ft-lb) of the full power engine.

It weighs in at a beginner-friendly 186 kilos (or 410 lbs), it has a 14 liter (or 3.7 gal) tank, and it gets up to a top speed of about 190 km/h (or 118 mph). The factory tyres are Michelin Road 5s.

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Among the other little details to note are the “Link-Type Monocross” rear shock, the UFO-like backlit LCD dash, and, in the case of this particular bike, the lovely retro paintwork that directly references the legendary 2-stroke Yamaha RD350LC from the early 80s.

The right-side-up forks are made by Yamaha and have two-pot Yammie brakes bolted to them. As usual, Yamaha’s fit and finish is spot on, and I noticed exactly zero zip ties, misplaced goop, or saggy wiring harnesses. So, with that out of the way, let’s ride the thing.

General Useability of the 2022 Yamaha XSR700
Around town, the XSR was pretty much perfect. It was easy to steer and really comfy without feeling like a sofa between your legs. I was sitting pretty and lane splitting like a boss in no time at all. The long seat had enough longitude to allow my not-so-slim butt cakes a decent amount of forward and backward adjustment. The mirrors worked well with minimal vibes.

The fuelling was spot-on and not at all snatchy or wanting. The dash has a couple of basic settings that can be cycled through via a switch on the bars or some up-and-down switches on the CD-sized circular cluster.
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If they put a tail piece on it, some decent looking clocks and lost the ape hangers it would look a lot better
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I really hate it it, what a mess. How the XSR has produced so much inspiration as a basis for custom and caff racer I find slightly staggering
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Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:37 am If they put a tail piece on it, some decent looking clocks and lost the ape hangers it would look a lot better
Completely agree about the bars - loads of current bikes have oddly high bars.

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I rather like it. :shifty:
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Looks a damn site better than the newer 900 with the horrible seat. 👍
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Haven't said that, with a nice seat cowl on, probably look ok. 🤷‍♂️
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Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
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Skub wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:48 pm Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
The article's about the restricted Australian LAMS version.
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ChrisW wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:56 pm
Skub wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:48 pm Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
The article's about the restricted Australian LAMS version.
Indeed. But it doesn't mean you have to learn on it. There are smaller, perfectly competent motorcycles around. An Aussie friend of mine learned on a GB400 Honda. Lighter by some way which means a lot less chance of all the stupid rookie drops. And personally I think you learn more about riding a bit well with less power.
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Skub wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:48 pm Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
They were when i passed my big bike test.....straight from 125 to anything you liked but you were probably allowed a 250 on L Plates before test

Now the 125's are CBT bikes and everyone over 24 who wants to get a full license has to "learn" on a bigger bike like MT-07's and assorted 600's which will be where this article is aiming at i guess.
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Bigyin wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:10 pm
Skub wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:48 pm Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
They were when i passed my big bike test.....straight from 125 to anything you liked but you were probably allowed a 250 on L Plates before test

Now the 125's are CBT bikes and everyone over 24 who wants to get a full license has to "learn" on a bigger bike like MT-07's and assorted 600's which will be where this article is aiming at i guess.
The downside of that is that bikes like the MT-07 and the ER6 are now SEEN as learner bikes and people want something bigger!

The same happened when DAS came in in 1997... almost overnight, bikes like the CB500 and GS500 which people had been happily riding for years were suddenly 'girl's bikes'... yes, I had someone tell me that when I turned up to run an advanced course in my own lightly tweaked GS... they all wanted supersport 600... now everyone seems to want a 1290 KTM or a Multistrada. Bonkers.
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Bigyin wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:10 pm
Skub wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:48 pm Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
They were when i passed my big bike test.....straight from 125 to anything you liked but you were probably allowed a 250 on L Plates before test

Now the 125's are CBT bikes and everyone over 24 who wants to get a full license has to "learn" on a bigger bike like MT-07's and assorted 600's which will be where this article is aiming at i guess.
My first 'big' bike was a 400Four ...
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I can see the XSR700 wheels, forks and brakes finding their way onto quite a few hybrid 350LC/YPVS builds. And it does the XSR no favours at all by placing it next to a 350LC. The XSR looks proper shite in comparison.
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mangocrazy wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:05 pm I can see the XSR700 wheels, forks and brakes finding their way onto quite a few hybrid 350LC/YPVS builds. And it does the XSR no favours at all by placing it next to a 350LC. The XSR looks proper shite in comparison.
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weeksy wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:22 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:05 pm I can see the XSR700 wheels, forks and brakes finding their way onto quite a few hybrid 350LC/YPVS builds. And it does the XSR no favours at all by placing it next to a 350LC. The XSR looks proper shite in comparison.
Maybe to you, the reverse is true to me
I guess it all depends on your view of the current MTxx/XSR design language - the 'hunched shoulders/praying mantis' look. I think it's over-used and is in danger of becoming a cliche. But that's just me.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:56 pm
Bigyin wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:10 pm
Skub wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:48 pm Odd to think of it as a learner bike. Learner bikes are things like a CG125.
They were when i passed my big bike test.....straight from 125 to anything you liked but you were probably allowed a 250 on L Plates before test

Now the 125's are CBT bikes and everyone over 24 who wants to get a full license has to "learn" on a bigger bike like MT-07's and assorted 600's which will be where this article is aiming at i guess.
The downside of that is that bikes like the MT-07 and the ER6 are now SEEN as learner bikes and people want something bigger!

The same happened when DAS came in in 1997... almost overnight, bikes like the CB500 and GS500 which people had been happily riding for years were suddenly 'girl's bikes'... yes, I had someone tell me that when I turned up to run an advanced course in my own lightly tweaked GS... they all wanted supersport 600... now everyone seems to want a 1290 KTM or a Multistrada. Bonkers.
I completely get where you are coming from as i trained a woman last week on a CBT whose husband had recently passed his DAS about 6 months before and was riding on a fairly recent model GSXR750. I asked how he was getting on with it and she said "He wants something bigger as he likes speed" ..... i think i rolled my eyes and replied something along the lines of "perhaps he should learn to ride it properly and get some experience then rather than twist the throttle in a straight line just to go fast as that bike is way more than enough for him at the moment"

I do think younger riders still will shy away from the big powerful ADV bikes as they all seem to want S1000RR, 1290 Superduke, Fireblades and Panigales but the older ones will head for the Multistrada/1290 GT/S1000XR market...... when i refer to younger i am even now including mid 30's rather than early 20's like it used to be
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mangocrazy wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:05 pm I can see the XSR700 wheels, forks and brakes finding their way onto quite a few hybrid 350LC/YPVS builds. And it does the XSR no favours at all by placing it next to a 350LC. The XSR looks proper shite in comparison.
It just makes the styling of the LC look dated, which it is. They're trying to sell bikes to new riders, not appeal to the nostalgia market.

Lots of people will drool at the LC but they wouldn't sell that many if they released it now. To lots of newbies it'd just be a dirty, smelly, little bike. :lol:
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Count Steer wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:31 am
mangocrazy wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:05 pm I can see the XSR700 wheels, forks and brakes finding their way onto quite a few hybrid 350LC/YPVS builds. And it does the XSR no favours at all by placing it next to a 350LC. The XSR looks proper shite in comparison.
It just makes the styling of the LC look dated, which it is. They're trying to sell bikes to new riders, not appeal to the nostalgia market.

Lots of people will drool at the LC but they wouldn't sell that many if they released it now. To lots of newbies it'd just be a dirty, smelly, little bike. :lol:
Yeah, I guess I'm a million miles away from their target demographic, and styling is very much a generational thing. I would be interested to see how well (or badly) an 80s styled equivalent would sell in today's marketplace. Fashion is circular, after all. And I wasn't suggesting the XSR should be a stinkwheel. That boat has most assuredly sailed (more's the pity...)
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A guy at work has a "normal" MT-07. Although I'm not a fan of the transformer face, it looks better than the XSR to my eye.I really don't know why Yamaha try and make it look like an LC, weird. THe Tracer 7 or the Traily are surely the better options as they are useful?