Does failure lead to success?

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Re: Does failure lead to success?

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Horse wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:23 am And in a great coincidence, this (from 2016) was mentioned today on LinkedIn:

https://www.thehumandiver.com/blog/cong ... lucky-f-er
Great article.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:56 am
demographic wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:50 pm I reckon that science is based on keeping track of failures and incrementally improving next time.
So yeah, some failures do lead to success, depends on what yer measuring dunnit.
Testing to failure then do it better next time is engineering :)

Science is figuring out where, why and how it will fail so you do it right first time!!

(Says me with a scientific background)
No it's not. You may aim (or 'try') to do that as far as is possible, but do you think the Wright Brothers flew on their first attempt?
The scientific method requires a hypothesis to be falsifiable - you are testing whether your theory is valid.


Beckett also wrote: “to be an artist is to fail, as no other dare fail, that failure is his world and the shrink from it desertion”.
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slowsider wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:32 am
The scientific method requires a hypothesis to be falsifiable - you are testing whether your theory is valid.
Exactly... as I said - tongue in cheek - you're not trying something with no hope of getting it right, and hoping that the failure will shed some insight into why it's not working.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:01 am
Horse wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:23 am And in a great coincidence, this (from 2016) was mentioned today on LinkedIn:

https://www.thehumandiver.com/blog/cong ... lucky-f-er
Great article.
This one popped up today:

https://www.thehumandiver.com/blog/we-v ... de-problem

Hmmm

When I first started kayaking I used to capsize a lot. But that was how I learnt to balance, to control the boat. Without making those mistakes I wouldn’t have learned. I was always much better at kayaking than climbing because I was always scared to fall. And that slowed me down far more than people who didn’t have that fear. But that’s exactly what we’re doing in diving. We don’t allow people to make any mistakes.

But wait ...

So I have a request for you. Please start sharing your mistakes. They don’t have to be huge. Little things matter- “I forgot my weight belt on today's dive”, “I lost control of my buoyancy a bit and rose up a few metres” etc etc. The higher your level, the more important this is. Instructors, tech divers, cave divers, and instructor trainers, please start doing this! Show your student that making mistakes is human! But please, tell the story behind the mistake. WHY did it happen? How did it make sense for you to do that? And what will you do differently next time to try and prevent it? If we all start doing this, then maybe we as a community can start to change, learn and grow.

Hey, Spin - had any interesting crashes that you want to share, that others could learn from? :)

.... Or were they all someone else's fault?
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Posted elsewhere:

Bigyin wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:08 pm
I did a similar as a 17 year old on my GS125 after my laces loop wrapped around my gear lever. Stopped at the traffic lights and went to put left foot down ….. oops

Landed in a heap with bike on me and broke indicator and clutch lever …. Doh!!

Because of this I now include it in my CBT chat to the yoofs about why they should tuck their laces in ;) :D
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Horse wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:24 am
Hey, Spin - had any interesting crashes that you want to share, that others could learn from? :)

.... Or were they all someone else's fault?
Just a few...

...dozen.

And I always thought that even the crashes there were someone else's fault were really my fault for not seeing it coming and doing something about it first! It's why I'm so fond of quoting Carwyn James and his "get your retaliation in first" mantra :) It's something we could well do with learning in biking.
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