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Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro Test Ride
Managed to get a test ride on the new 22 Tiger 1200 GT Pro courtesy of Blade in Cheltenham recently... Here are my thoughts...
A brief summary for the TLDR crowd... Highly impressive machine, feels a lot like a GS in many ways, better in others, but severely hampered by the worst bar vibrations I have ever experienced on a motorbike! For anyone interested in a bit more detail, read on...
Over the last year or so I've had a lot of test rides on various Adventure Bikes, trying to find the "Goldilocks" bike. In the end I got bored of trying to find something that probably doesn't exist, so settled for a 5yr old R1200GS as at least it was a known quantity that had done the bulk of its depreciation already... Anyway... Triumph's latest 1200 Tiger definitely threw a curve ball in the mix, or so I thought...
First impressions...? Well jumping on it, it's immediate that Triumph is aiming straight at GS owners, all the contact points fall immediately to hand if you're used to a GS, even the screen is a similar shape. Also the bike feels very light between your legs, picking it off the side stand etc. Unnaturally so even, given it's an upright triple engine rather than BMW's trademark Boxer twin. It also feels remarkably compact (it isn't!), feeling much smaller than the top heavy Mulistrada V4 and the 1290 Super Adventure. All good so far.
The first worry came when turning the bike at low, almost stationary, speed. The bike feels more reluctant to turn than a GS (it is, it has about 120mm of trail vs the GS's 100mm), but once above about 5mph it isn't really noticeable. It's just that GS's are unnaturally easy to manoeuvre at low speeds compared to everything else.
The next worry came with the low speed throttle mapping, which results in a very lazy throttle response (even in sport mode!) and very little engine braking compared to the competition. Maybe this can be adjusted, I didn't have the opportunity to find out, but worth noting. I suspect given how light and friendly the bike feels, Triumph may be trying to get people who might traditionally be swayed by their 800-900 Tigers to step up to the bigger bike by making it feel a little more accessible... Who knows Either way, it took a little getting used to for someone coming off several bikes with a very sharp throttle response and lots of engine braking.
Fortunately once out of Cheltenham and on to the open roads, both of the initial worries disappeared. At higher revs/speeds, the throttle response feels much more natural. Also the longer trail figure compared to a GS means the bike feels super stable in sweeping corners... Which is a bonus, because that engine will get you there quickly, and the very capable suspension and brakes will be egging you on too. Make no mistake, two riders of the same standard, one on the new Tiger 1200 GT Pro and one on a 1250GS down a twisty B road... This is an Adventure Bike that could easily warrant its rider wearing full leathers with knee sliders. This Tiger would embarrass a BMW GS! Its appetite for fast corners is only matched by the Multistrada V4. Attitude wise, it feels more like a very competent Super Naked bike (think Tuono, MT-10, Superduke 1290 R etc.) with longer travel suspension than it does a traditional Adventure Bike. The brakes are impeccable, and in a different league to those fitted to a GS or the 1290 Super Adventure! If you want an Adventure Bike only because you want a bit more comfort, but you still miss riding high powered sports bikes or Super Nakeds, and you either don't like the top heavy feel of a Ducati Multistrada V4 or you want a cheaper alternative, the new 22 Tiger 1200 GT Pro is an absolute weapon!
But... There is of course, as always, a big but... As someone who has owned many large capacity V-Twins, I have always poked fun at people who bemoan a bike being vibey, especially if its engine has more than 2 cylinders! And yet with the T plane crank triple engine (which sounds awesome by the way!), Triumph have managed to create a veritable Kango hammer of a bike as soon as the rev counter is above about 4krpm! The higher it goes, the worse it gets too... It's not like there's a particular resonant frequency to avoid as is often the case. If the needle is above 4k, the vibes through the bars are unacceptable. They elevate from mildly annoying, to concerning, to "christ I need to back off and drop the revs below 4k again" sadly... And given that 4krpm is exactly 66mph in 6th gear, the chances of a vibe free motorway cruise are limited sadly!
Which is a real shame... Cos the bike does so many things very well indeed. It feels like a GS in most of the ways that matter, it has a GS licked for performance and high speed handling, it is many times more involving than a GS to ride (I totally respect my GS as a very capable machine, but my god that Boxer Twin engine is dull!!!), but after 30mins of riding it with the rev counter pointing north of 4krpm, and you'll need to get off to give your hands and fingers a rest!
The Triumph salesmen are calling it "character"... Unfittingly for a brand new bike, they are available for pretty much immediate delivery, possibly even with a discount! If Triumph managed to sort the vibrations through the bars out any time soon, be it a recall for a retro-fit part or an ongoing design change, I'll put my money where my mouth is, really... Everything else was that good about the bike! But I can jump on my GS and deplete a tank of fuel in one go with relatively minimal fuss... An Adventure Bike that requires you to stop every 30mins or so to stop the tingling in your hands just doesn't really cut it sadly! I have a V4 Tuono that's more rewarding and I can manage to ride for an hour or so inbetween stops already thank you...
A brief summary for the TLDR crowd... Highly impressive machine, feels a lot like a GS in many ways, better in others, but severely hampered by the worst bar vibrations I have ever experienced on a motorbike! For anyone interested in a bit more detail, read on...
Over the last year or so I've had a lot of test rides on various Adventure Bikes, trying to find the "Goldilocks" bike. In the end I got bored of trying to find something that probably doesn't exist, so settled for a 5yr old R1200GS as at least it was a known quantity that had done the bulk of its depreciation already... Anyway... Triumph's latest 1200 Tiger definitely threw a curve ball in the mix, or so I thought...
First impressions...? Well jumping on it, it's immediate that Triumph is aiming straight at GS owners, all the contact points fall immediately to hand if you're used to a GS, even the screen is a similar shape. Also the bike feels very light between your legs, picking it off the side stand etc. Unnaturally so even, given it's an upright triple engine rather than BMW's trademark Boxer twin. It also feels remarkably compact (it isn't!), feeling much smaller than the top heavy Mulistrada V4 and the 1290 Super Adventure. All good so far.
The first worry came when turning the bike at low, almost stationary, speed. The bike feels more reluctant to turn than a GS (it is, it has about 120mm of trail vs the GS's 100mm), but once above about 5mph it isn't really noticeable. It's just that GS's are unnaturally easy to manoeuvre at low speeds compared to everything else.
The next worry came with the low speed throttle mapping, which results in a very lazy throttle response (even in sport mode!) and very little engine braking compared to the competition. Maybe this can be adjusted, I didn't have the opportunity to find out, but worth noting. I suspect given how light and friendly the bike feels, Triumph may be trying to get people who might traditionally be swayed by their 800-900 Tigers to step up to the bigger bike by making it feel a little more accessible... Who knows Either way, it took a little getting used to for someone coming off several bikes with a very sharp throttle response and lots of engine braking.
Fortunately once out of Cheltenham and on to the open roads, both of the initial worries disappeared. At higher revs/speeds, the throttle response feels much more natural. Also the longer trail figure compared to a GS means the bike feels super stable in sweeping corners... Which is a bonus, because that engine will get you there quickly, and the very capable suspension and brakes will be egging you on too. Make no mistake, two riders of the same standard, one on the new Tiger 1200 GT Pro and one on a 1250GS down a twisty B road... This is an Adventure Bike that could easily warrant its rider wearing full leathers with knee sliders. This Tiger would embarrass a BMW GS! Its appetite for fast corners is only matched by the Multistrada V4. Attitude wise, it feels more like a very competent Super Naked bike (think Tuono, MT-10, Superduke 1290 R etc.) with longer travel suspension than it does a traditional Adventure Bike. The brakes are impeccable, and in a different league to those fitted to a GS or the 1290 Super Adventure! If you want an Adventure Bike only because you want a bit more comfort, but you still miss riding high powered sports bikes or Super Nakeds, and you either don't like the top heavy feel of a Ducati Multistrada V4 or you want a cheaper alternative, the new 22 Tiger 1200 GT Pro is an absolute weapon!
But... There is of course, as always, a big but... As someone who has owned many large capacity V-Twins, I have always poked fun at people who bemoan a bike being vibey, especially if its engine has more than 2 cylinders! And yet with the T plane crank triple engine (which sounds awesome by the way!), Triumph have managed to create a veritable Kango hammer of a bike as soon as the rev counter is above about 4krpm! The higher it goes, the worse it gets too... It's not like there's a particular resonant frequency to avoid as is often the case. If the needle is above 4k, the vibes through the bars are unacceptable. They elevate from mildly annoying, to concerning, to "christ I need to back off and drop the revs below 4k again" sadly... And given that 4krpm is exactly 66mph in 6th gear, the chances of a vibe free motorway cruise are limited sadly!
Which is a real shame... Cos the bike does so many things very well indeed. It feels like a GS in most of the ways that matter, it has a GS licked for performance and high speed handling, it is many times more involving than a GS to ride (I totally respect my GS as a very capable machine, but my god that Boxer Twin engine is dull!!!), but after 30mins of riding it with the rev counter pointing north of 4krpm, and you'll need to get off to give your hands and fingers a rest!
The Triumph salesmen are calling it "character"... Unfittingly for a brand new bike, they are available for pretty much immediate delivery, possibly even with a discount! If Triumph managed to sort the vibrations through the bars out any time soon, be it a recall for a retro-fit part or an ongoing design change, I'll put my money where my mouth is, really... Everything else was that good about the bike! But I can jump on my GS and deplete a tank of fuel in one go with relatively minimal fuss... An Adventure Bike that requires you to stop every 30mins or so to stop the tingling in your hands just doesn't really cut it sadly! I have a V4 Tuono that's more rewarding and I can manage to ride for an hour or so inbetween stops already thank you...
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Re: Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro Test Ride
Honestly, this is in a different league! Or at least the bike I tried was as I'm assured "they're not all like that sir" by another Triumph dealership...
The XR has a bit of a problem at a resonant frequency which just so happens to be about the speed that most people cruise on the motorway at... The new 1200 Tiger is basically like a Kango hammer at anything above 4k and it just gets worse with more revs!
My hands and fingers are hurting just thinking about the experience!
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Re: Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro Test Ride
Good job I am not in the market for one!mboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:11 pmHonestly, this is in a different league! Or at least the bike I tried was as I'm assured "they're not all like that sir" by another Triumph dealership...
The XR has a bit of a problem at a resonant frequency which just so happens to be about the speed that most people cruise on the motorway at... The new 1200 Tiger is basically like a Kango hammer at anything above 4k and it just gets worse with more revs!
My hands and fingers are hurting just thinking about the experience!
I tried the XR as I really wanted one - and then went left field and bought a Triumph 1200 Scrambler!
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Sounds like its a rogue, someone hasn't torqued up the engine bolts or something. Not seen this characteristic reported on other tests/
Shame it lacks engine braking, I've got a Ducati 1200 and a Tiger 800. If I could put V twin engine braking into the little triple it would be a cracker!
Shame it lacks engine braking, I've got a Ducati 1200 and a Tiger 800. If I could put V twin engine braking into the little triple it would be a cracker!
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I have just bought the new 1200 GT Explorer and I wish I had test driven it 1st, I have had all the exploeres as they came out and upgraded each time the new model came out, so I was sure the new one would be better considering all the hype around it. And it is better in many ways, but is glaringly worse in the most important way, and that is the damn T Plane crank motor - Why
would you fix something that was never broken???? The vibration as you start approaching 150kM/h is absolutely ridiculous..... you can not cruise at this speed at all... you need to put your tongue between your teeth to stop them vibrating against each other... It is completly unbelievable that they could put something like this into production - the Journalists, call it "Vibey" they are
too afraid to tell the truth for fear they may not get another bike to test.... It is unacceptable - I don't even have 1000km on the clock yet and are wondering what I am going to do? I love triumph and have a 1200 speed twin, that also has the T Plane crank, and I think because that is a twin, it works like a charm,
gives a nice beat, but is smooth throughout the rev range, no vibration to speak of, but in the Triple it is an unmitigated disaster... Seriously I will have to look at getting a Ducti Multistrade. If you ever ride over 4000rpm, this bike is not rideable.
would you fix something that was never broken???? The vibration as you start approaching 150kM/h is absolutely ridiculous..... you can not cruise at this speed at all... you need to put your tongue between your teeth to stop them vibrating against each other... It is completly unbelievable that they could put something like this into production - the Journalists, call it "Vibey" they are
too afraid to tell the truth for fear they may not get another bike to test.... It is unacceptable - I don't even have 1000km on the clock yet and are wondering what I am going to do? I love triumph and have a 1200 speed twin, that also has the T Plane crank, and I think because that is a twin, it works like a charm,
gives a nice beat, but is smooth throughout the rev range, no vibration to speak of, but in the Triple it is an unmitigated disaster... Seriously I will have to look at getting a Ducti Multistrade. If you ever ride over 4000rpm, this bike is not rideable.
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Why would you buy a bike, at that price, without test riding it first? Methinks this is either a bot post, troll, or a fuckwit denying his village of an idiot.DISAPPOINTED wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:13 pm I have just bought the new 1200 GT Explorer and I wish I had test driven it 1st, I have had all the exploeres as they came out and upgraded each time the new model came out, so I was sure the new one would be better considering all the hype around it. And it is better in many ways, but is glaringly worse in the most important way, and that is the damn T Plane crank motor - Why
would you fix something that was never broken???? The vibration as you start approaching 150kM/h is absolutely ridiculous..... you can not cruise at this speed at all... you need to put your tongue between your teeth to stop them vibrating against each other... It is completly unbelievable that they could put something like this into production - the Journalists, call it "Vibey" they are
too afraid to tell the truth for fear they may not get another bike to test.... It is unacceptable - I don't even have 1000km on the clock yet and are wondering what I am going to do? I love triumph and have a 1200 speed twin, that also has the T Plane crank, and I think because that is a twin, it works like a charm,
gives a nice beat, but is smooth throughout the rev range, no vibration to speak of, but in the Triple it is an unmitigated disaster... Seriously I will have to look at getting a Ducti Multistrade. If you ever ride over 4000rpm, this bike is not rideable.
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Re: Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro Test Ride
I paid £10k for a speed triple in 2006 without test riding it, I paid £15k for my Harley a couple of years ago without test riding it.westers151 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:57 pm
Why would you buy a bike, at that price, without test riding it first? Methinks this is either a bot post, troll, or a fuckwit denying his village of an idiot.
In all my years riding (OK so only 21) I've only ever test ridden one bike, and that broke down within 5 miles of the dealership, still bought one though
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Are you from a village? (Joke, so don't get arsey).MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:19 pmI paid £10k for a speed triple in 2006 without test riding it, I paid £15k for my Harley a couple of years ago without test riding it.westers151 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:57 pm
Why would you buy a bike, at that price, without test riding it first? Methinks this is either a bot post, troll, or a fuckwit denying his village of an idiot.
In all my years riding (OK so only 21) I've only ever test ridden one bike, and that broke down within 5 miles of the dealership, still bought one though
I've done the same as you, but that was on bikes that didn't cost a lot for me to change (maybe £3K; if it was crap, I'd swap it in. However, buying blind on a bike that's £14.5K (minimum), is a bit daft, even if you're trading something in. Unless your mate has a year old bike to swap, he must be shelling out £5-8K; I'd want to ride something before I spent that.
Or maybe £5-8k is pocket money to him, in which case, fair enough.
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S'only money, you can't take it with you.
So far, touch wood, I've not regretted any of my purchases and tend to keep bikes for a bloody long time (comparatively for this site), but yes it's a gamble.
So far, touch wood, I've not regretted any of my purchases and tend to keep bikes for a bloody long time (comparatively for this site), but yes it's a gamble.
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I've test ridden quite a few bikes and had a range of loaners but, oddly enough, not test ridden any of the bikes I've bought or even ridden that model before. Not one.
(I had ridden bikes with the same engine - R1200 - as one of them before I bought it).
PS Oddly though I've test driven examples of ALL the cars.
(I had ridden bikes with the same engine - R1200 - as one of them before I bought it).
PS Oddly though I've test driven examples of ALL the cars.
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Vibrations and jerky throttle at low revs. Are these two things difficult to eliminate by manufacturers? My Trident is a bit buzzy at certain revs.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, so it's no surprise that it feels like a GS in many areas.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, so it's no surprise that it feels like a GS in many areas.
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It wasn't before emissions regs. Although it is a bit bike dependant the GSXS is silky smooth everywhere vibe wise but can be a bit on/off throttle. In the olden days pre Euro whatever regs most bikes were creamy smooth everywhere.
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Sorry to hear about this, but have to agree just how terrible the vibes are!DISAPPOINTED wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:13 pm I have just bought the new 1200 GT Explorer and I wish I had test driven it 1st, I have had all the exploeres as they came out and upgraded each time the new model came out, so I was sure the new one would be better considering all the hype around it. And it is better in many ways, but is glaringly worse in the most important way, and that is the damn T Plane crank motor - Why
would you fix something that was never broken???? The vibration as you start approaching 150kM/h is absolutely ridiculous..... you can not cruise at this speed at all... you need to put your tongue between your teeth to stop them vibrating against each other... It is completly unbelievable that they could put something like this into production - the Journalists, call it "Vibey" they are
too afraid to tell the truth for fear they may not get another bike to test.... It is unacceptable - I don't even have 1000km on the clock yet and are wondering what I am going to do? I love triumph and have a 1200 speed twin, that also has the T Plane crank, and I think because that is a twin, it works like a charm,
gives a nice beat, but is smooth throughout the rev range, no vibration to speak of, but in the Triple it is an unmitigated disaster... Seriously I will have to look at getting a Ducti Multistrade. If you ever ride over 4000rpm, this bike is not rideable.
I bought a 21 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S instead... Much better bike in many ways... Not least because the Big V-Twin is actually a pretty smooth engine now that they've had a decade or so to refine it!
Test rode a Multistrada V4S and it was a fantastic bike... But cost 30% more than anything else to buy, fuel, insure, service etc... I know a couple of people who have bought them and they are bastard thirsty compared to the KTM, Triumph's or a GS! The 22L tank has a realistic range of 150-160 miles, where I'm getting 230-250 out of the 23L tank on my 1290...
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I've a mate who doesn't test ride bikes. Of the six bikes he's owned over the last 22 years, two of them he has disliked, pretty much from after the first ride. He still won't test before he buys.westers151 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:57 pm
Why would you buy a bike, at that price, without test riding it first? Methinks this is either a bot post, troll, or a fuckwit denying his village of an idiot.
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Since DISAPPOINTED registered his errrm disappointment (in capital letters) he hasn't been heard from. Have we been visited by a disappoint-bot?
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