Private sector pay rising 5 times as fast as public sector

[gremlin]

Just playing devil's advocate, if you're doing the same job next year as you're doing this year, to the same standard, why do you deserve a pay rise at all?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

'Twas always thus.

Private sector = better pay, less pension, less security
Public sector = lower pay, better pension, more security

Private sector = actually have to do some work.

Not always.

If you had to do my public sector job you'd probably be at home crying within a week.

When i was working for the LA doing a similar job, we employed 2 ex private sector employees. One come from the finance industry and wanted an easier life (so he thought) and the other was an ex Private sector I.T manager, both in their early 50's.

Within 2 months finance boy was found under a desk crying as he could not cope with the amount of requests coming to him at the schools on top of his normal work load and manager boy handed in his notice after 4 months due to stress and not being able to cope!

It's school IT, it's not complicated, if you can't do it it's because you're useless

[Count Steer]

Just playing devil's advocate, if you're doing the same job next year as you're doing this year, to the same standard, why do you deserve a pay rise at all?

Or, to put it another way. Why would an employer expect employees to be happy with an employment contract such that your salary decreases by inflation with every years experience gained?

[Horse]

Just playing devil's advocate, if you're doing the same job next year as you're doing this year, to the same standard, why do you deserve a pay rise at all?

Because Groat threefarthings doesn't stretch far these days?


But 'deserve' is an interesting word use

[gremlin]

Just playing devil's advocate, if you're doing the same job next year as you're doing this year, to the same standard, why do you deserve a pay rise at all?

Or, to put it another way. Why would an employer expect employees to be happy with an employment contract such that your salary decreases by inflation with every years experience gained?

Inflation is an external factor, not related to the bilateral agreement between an employee and employer. What if an economy goes into deflation? Would the employee be happy to hand money back?

I've had mediocre team members moaning to me when I've handed them a pay rise below inflation. My stock response is, 'What did you do different this year as opposed to last year?'. The answer is invariably negative. Across the board pay rise encourage middling performance, at best. If remuneration is linked to performance, people tend to put a bit more effort in, as they can see the reward.

[Count Steer]

Just playing devil's advocate, if you're doing the same job next year as you're doing this year, to the same standard, why do you deserve a pay rise at all?

Or, to put it another way. Why would an employer expect employees to be happy with an employment contract such that your salary decreases by inflation with every years experience gained?

Inflation is an external factor, not related to the bilateral agreement between an employee and employer. What if an economy goes into deflation? Would the employee be happy to hand money back?

I've had mediocre team members moaning to me when I've handed them a pay rise below inflation. My stock response is, 'What did you do different this year as opposed to last year?'. The answer is invariably negative. Across the board pay rise encourage middling performance, at best. If remuneration is linked to performance, people tend to put a bit more effort in, as they can see the reward.

Complicated business. An ideal contract might include links with CPIH, company performance (profit share/sharesave type thing) and personal performance - so go up or down each year.

Performance related pay always sounds good but I've never seen a really solid scheme. Someone has to set and review targets...what if that person underperformed?. Are you going to be happy being evaluated by one of the mediocre performers?

(Best performance review I had was 'Hi, tell me what sort of year have you had, this is the overall pay framework this year, what do you think you should get and why?'. ).

[Greenman]

Private sector = actually have to do some work.

Not always.

If you had to do my public sector job you'd probably be at home crying within a week.

When i was working for the LA doing a similar job, we employed 2 ex private sector employees. One come from the finance industry and wanted an easier life (so he thought) and the other was an ex Private sector I.T manager, both in their early 50's.

Within 2 months finance boy was found under a desk crying as he could not cope with the amount of requests coming to him at the schools on top of his normal work load and manager boy handed in his notice after 4 months due to stress and not being able to cope!

It's school IT, it's not complicated, if you can't do it it's because you're useless

Or it's because i have a life away from work. Your job doesn't define who you are!

[Greenman]

Private sector = actually have to do some work.

Not always.

If you had to do my public sector job you'd probably be at home crying within a week.

When i was working for the LA doing a similar job, we employed 2 ex private sector employees. One come from the finance industry and wanted an easier life (so he thought) and the other was an ex Private sector I.T manager, both in their early 50's.

Within 2 months finance boy was found under a desk crying as he could not cope with the amount of requests coming to him at the schools on top of his normal work load and manager boy handed in his notice after 4 months due to stress and not being able to cope!

Your job? Hah!

I could do your little girly so-called job during my under-desk crying breaks from my own real man’s job.

See exactly, you have under-desk crying breaks, my point proven right here!

Your in Finance right?

[Docca]

LOL I'm getting 5% this year the same as public sector workers, our pay rises have matched public sector for the 18 years I've been here

As stated, I’m getting 1.9% as a public sector worker

[Greenman]

LOL I'm getting 5% this year the same as public sector workers, our pay rises have matched public sector for the 18 years I've been here

As stated, I’m getting 1.9% as a public sector worker

He will get the point soon mate...

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Or it's because i have a life away from work. Your job doesn't define who you are!

Feckin right it doesn't, I'm a resting motorcycle racer, not an IT Security and Networking Consultant.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

LOL I'm getting 5% this year the same as public sector workers, our pay rises have matched public sector for the 18 years I've been here

As stated, I’m getting 1.9% as a public sector worker

Must be tough living in that Surrey mansion.

[MingtheMerciless]

I work for NR and the pay offer linked to some hefty alterations of T&C's is shite so I expect I'll be having a few unpaid days off in August.

[Greenman]

Or it's because i have a life away from work. Your job doesn't define who you are!

Feckin right it doesn't, I'm a resting motorcycle racer, not an IT Security and Networking Consultant.

Exactly!

[Docca]

LOL I'm getting 5% this year the same as public sector workers, our pay rises have matched public sector for the 18 years I've been here

As stated, I’m getting 1.9% as a public sector worker

Must be tough living in that Surrey mansion.

As stated, I don’t live in Surrey

[Mussels]

I work for NR and the pay offer linked to some hefty alterations of T&C's is shite so I expect I'll be having a few unpaid days off in August.

If it's so rubbish why are you still working there? If the unions didn't regulate your pay and conditions then people would leave and the train companies would have to improve things to recruit and keep higher skilled specialists, you would end up better paid at the expense of less skilled workers who are easy to recruit.
Rail unions just want to keep the workforce numbers and their subscriptions high, that drives down wages.

[Mussels]

As stated, I’m getting 1.9% as a public sector worker

Must be tough living in that Surrey mansion.

As stated, I don’t live in Surrey

He was below the belt but there's a good point in there. You've never needed to chase the money so had the relative luxury of being able to choose a career that gives you satisfaction, so your complaints about low pay are somewhat self inflicted.

[Mr Moofo]

Must be tough living in that Surrey mansion.

As stated, I don’t live in Surrey

He was below the belt but there's a good point in there. You've never needed to chase the money so had the relative luxury of being able to choose a career that gives you satisfaction, so your complaints about low pay are somewhat self inflicted.

I am nor sure that "low pay" is relevant here - it's only about the rise
I wonder how the other benefits and conditions are being affected?

[MingtheMerciless]

I work for NR and the pay offer linked to some hefty alterations of T&C's is shite so I expect I'll be having a few unpaid days off in August.

If it's so rubbish why are you still working there? If the unions didn't regulate your pay and conditions then people would leave and the train companies would have to improve things to recruit and keep higher skilled specialists, you would end up better paid at the expense of less skilled workers who are easy to recruit.
Rail unions just want to keep the workforce numbers and their subscriptions high, that drives down wages.

I like the job, it’s just the current pay offer and current senior management that are rubbish.

I work for NR not a TOC.

NR are the one deskilling the work force, look at the barmy idea for the maintenance re-org. The idea of multidisciplinary techs floating across the route was trialled once before in the late 90’s and it resulted in a mass exodus of staff.

What drives down wages is the £100’s of millions squandered on projects because of the NR management refusal to pay for experienced project and contract management staff, instead employing “boil in the bag” grad students with no experience which allows the contractors to rape the funding with no comeback.

Only with a solid union membership are hard won T’s & C’s preserved as well as preventing some of the more crazy maintenance cut back ideas.

[JamJar]

If it's so rubbish why are you still working there? If the unions didn't regulate your pay and conditions then people would leave and the train companies would have to improve things to recruit and keep higher skilled specialists, you would end up better paid at the expense of less skilled workers who are easy to recruit.
Rail unions just want to keep the workforce numbers and their subscriptions high, that drives down wages.

If the unions didn't negotiate the pay then the companies would hire the cheapest people they could not the best.