If we were to rejoin the EU tomorrow, what benefits would you miss most about Brexit?

[irie]

This is a "benefit" that I'd be pleased to miss.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europes ... inflation/

At the last scheduled meeting of European commissioners before the summer recess on Wednesday, Brussels technocrats will attempt their most far-reaching power grab yet seen in 2022: the right to impose mandatory gas rationing on the bloc's 27 member countries.

As citizens from Portugal to Poland swelter and perish in record-breaking heat, their governments are being asked to sign over their right to energy sovereignty in six days. The measures are being rushed through using emergency protocols, which mean no country will be able to veto the plan and the European Parliament will have no say.

[Horse]

If the Russians turn the taps off, there's going to be a massive shortage, so some sort of limitations will be necessary - whether voluntary or mandatory rationing. Or it stops coming out of the pipe into your home or into power stations. At current annual usage, there isn't going to be enough.

I'm intrigued as to what alternatives there might be for anyone (whether they live in Northern Europe or Southern England) who doesn't agree?

[Hoonercat]

This is a "benefit" that I'd be pleased to miss.

https://www.politico.eu/article/europes ... inflation/

At the last scheduled meeting of European commissioners before the summer recess on Wednesday, Brussels technocrats will attempt their most far-reaching power grab yet seen in 2022: the right to impose mandatory gas rationing on the bloc's 27 member countries.

As citizens from Portugal to Poland swelter and perish in record-breaking heat, their governments are being asked to sign over their right to energy sovereignty in six days. The measures are being rushed through using emergency protocols, which mean no country will be able to veto the plan and the European Parliament will have no say.

While it true to say no single country will have a veto, each country does get to vote on whether the plan is adopted across the EU area. Not quite as autocratic as Politico implies.

From the link:

...Europeans could wake up to find themselves forbidden from indiscriminately blasting the air conditioning or, as temperatures drop in the coming months, turning up the heating too high.

Or not...

8. Is the EU proposing gas rationing for private households?
No, private households fall within the definition of “protected customers” under the existing EU security of supply regulation.

[Pirahna]

Spain says no to gas proposal, like it's ever going to happen.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-07-20/

It must be time for an EU army, or Turkey about to join headline to keep the faithful frothing at the mouth.

[Tomcat]

Not sure where this thread has veered off to, except that some seem to have realised we're economically, politically and geographically tied to Europe whether we like it or not. Given that nobody's been to demonstrate one single significant concrete benefit of Brexit, to the OP I wouldn't miss a bloody thing.

[weeksy]

Do we ever see that being possible though? Or indeed ever happening?

[cheb]

There's probably a career in it, Farage did OK with UKIP and the rejoiners probably have larger than average disposable income and might be more likely to contribute because of their principle.

[Docca]

[Pirahna]

It was like that last week when I went through, a couple of miles of queued lorries. Isn't there a huge lorry park that was built but not used?

[wheelnut]

The only real benefit I can see is that Farage has disappeared.

[Hoonercat]

Fortunate for his sister that she wasn't travelling today.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-62263176

The Port of Dover has declared a "critical incident" due to five-hour queues leading to the ferry terminal.

[Cousin Jack]

Not sure where this thread has veered off to, except that some seem to have realised we're economically, politically and geographically tied to Europe whether we like it or not. Given that nobody's been to demonstrate one single significant concrete benefit of Brexit, to the OP I wouldn't miss a bloody thing.

Nor will you see the benefits yet - it was always a long term plan, with short term pain as part of the price. At least for the thinking section of the Remainers.

[mangocrazy]

So all the short term disadvantages, costs and pain will somehow change into long term advantages, rewards and sunlit uplands? How exactly is that supposed to work and what is the timescale?

[Mr. Dazzle]

what is the timescale?

Need to crack Nuclear fusion first, then we can get on to Brexit benefits.

[Rockburner]

what is the timescale?

Need to crack Nuclear fusion first, then we can get on to Brexit benefits.

One thing at a time.

[Cousin Jack]

So all the short term disadvantages, costs and pain will somehow change into long term advantages, rewards and sunlit uplands? How exactly is that supposed to work and what is the timescale?

We need to turn the UK into a high tech, high spec, high wage economy, with a safety net welfare system. That was never possible with low wage EU workers having free access. We have cut the free access, now we have to build the high tech/spec workforce, reward them with high wages, and tighten the screw on the dross who chose not to engage. More or less in that order. The benefits will start in 10 - 15 years, the real changes will take probably 2 generations.

It will not be easy, or quick. The alternative, muddling along in an increasingly centralised bureacratic EU waiting for the implosion is easy, but not where I want to go. Federal states have a huge problem, the US shows well the tensions that exist and that has been a single country for some time now. The US of Europe is coming, but will IMO self destruct soon afterwards, and the fall out will be nasty.

[Taff]

Isn't half of the UK going on strike this summer because employers refuse to pay high wages

[Lutin]

So all the short term disadvantages, costs and pain will somehow change into long term advantages, rewards and sunlit uplands? How exactly is that supposed to work and what is the timescale?

We need to turn the UK into a high tech, high spec, high wage economy, with a safety net welfare system. That was never possible with low wage EU workers having free access. We have cut the free access, now we have to build the high tech/spec workforce, reward them with high wages, and tighten the screw on the dross who chose not to engage. More or less in that order. The benefits will start in 10 - 15 years, the real changes will take probably 2 generations.

It will not be easy, or quick. The alternative, muddling along in an increasingly centralised bureacratic EU waiting for the implosion is easy, but not where I want to go. Federal states have a huge problem, the US shows well the tensions that exist and that has been a single country for some time now. The US of Europe is coming, but will IMO self destruct soon afterwards, and the fall out will be nasty.

So, who are you going to get to do all the low paid jobs that no one wants to do? You know, the manual, no career progression, manual labour, long hours picking strawberries, lettuce, apples etc etc.

It's alright aspiring to a "high tech, high spec, high wage economy" but who's going to feed this army of overachieving go-getters?

[Horse]

So all the short term disadvantages, costs and pain will somehow change into long term advantages, rewards and sunlit uplands? How exactly is that supposed to work and what is the timescale?

Timescale?

You'll need a telescope like that new one in space to see it.

We were promised an 'oven ready' deal and that the Northern Ireland situation would be easy to sort. Instead, it seems that the agreements all around will need to be torn up and, potentially, international law broken.

So good luck on getting an accurate timeline for benefits sufficient to outweigh the grief.

[demographic]

So all the short term disadvantages, costs and pain will somehow change into long term advantages, rewards and sunlit uplands? How exactly is that supposed to work and what is the timescale?

We need to turn the UK into a high tech, high spec, high wage economy, with a safety net welfare system. That was never possible with low wage EU workers having free access. We have cut the free access, now we have to build the high tech/spec workforce, reward them with high wages, and tighten the screw on the dross who chose not to engage. More or less in that order. The benefits will start in 10 - 15 years, the real changes will take probably 2 generations.

It will not be easy, or quick. The alternative, muddling along in an increasingly centralised bureacratic EU waiting for the implosion is easy, but not where I want to go. Federal states have a huge problem, the US shows well the tensions that exist and that has been a single country for some time now. The US of Europe is coming, but will IMO self destruct soon afterwards, and the fall out will be nasty.

You're funny. Its a cracker.