Private sector pay rising 5 times as fast as public sector

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From the FT, but multiple sources.

Inflation hit 9.4% for comparison.

[Mr Moofo]

Have they caught up with the public sector yet?

[Cousin Jack]

'Twas always thus.

Private sector = better pay, less pension, less security
Public sector = lower pay, better pension, more security

Take your pick.

[Supermofo]

Yeah right

Last year I got a temporary 15% drop in pay over summer to save the firm.

This year we've been given a 2.5% rise which is less than any public sector job I've seen the unions moaning about.

Teachers are getting a minimum rise of double mine, inspite the fact I was doing their job for them, whilst still doing mine...on reduced pay for the best part of 18 months.

Of course I could move companies. Oh wait so can public sector staff as well.

[Horse]

Teachers ... . Oh wait so can public sector staff as well.

Lots do.


Records show that 15 per cent quit after 12 months, nearly 25 per leaving the profession within three years and four in ten who trained had left after a decade.

Only 20,351 joined the profession for the first time last year which is the lowest figure for almost 20 years, government figures show.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16372527/ ... irst-year/


The number of teachers leaving last year jumped by 12.4 per cent, with 4,000 more departures in 2020-21 than the previous year. Some 36,262 staff – 8.1 per cent of all teachers – left the state-funded sector. However, this is still lower than the 9.4 per cent in 2018-19 before the pandemic

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/dfe-teacher-v ... ment-data/

Ahead of the National Education Union (NEU) annual conference in Bournemouth this week, it published data on Monday revealing that 44% of teachers plan to leave the profession by 2027.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ress-trust

Of course I could move companies.

So why haven't you?

[Taff]

Of course I could move companies. Oh wait so can public sector staff as well.

I did, less than 4 years ago. Doing an equivalent level job in the private sector and won myself a very very significant pay rise which has increased another approx 8% sincce.

A key problem for me was that I got promoted and got a 10% pay rise which was ok, but new starters at the same grade came in straight onto the top of the pay band.If the mod had put me on the same wages as new starters I probably would have stayed, they wouldn't so I resigned.


Having quite a specialised skill set does have its rewards

[Bigyin]

I was surprised when i saw the 5% rise for most public sector as the govt normally restricts them a lot.

In real terms they are still miles behind private sector after years of pay freezes and 1%

From memory i didnt get a payrise while in plod for about 7 years. 4 years of pay freeze followed by 1% increase for 3 years which conveniently coincided with 1% per year increase in pension contributions while inflation and CPI steadily rose. The pension is meant to be index linked to CPI annually but while that has risen to almost double figures the govt quietly changed the rules and capped the pension rise at 3%

The 5% makes a nice headline but doesnt make up for the decade of bugger all

[Taff]

Oh, and to add, the unionised, manual workers in my company balloted yesterday for their pay deal, 6.75% plus £1k bonus in sept backdated to April, and in Jan, another 6% and £1k.

Can't wait for the professional grades pay offer next march

You won't see that sort of pay deal in the public sector

[Supermofo]

Teachers ... . Oh wait so can public sector staff as well.

Lots do.


Records show that 15 per cent quit after 12 months, nearly 25 per leaving the profession within three years and four in ten who trained had left after a decade.

Only 20,351 joined the profession for the first time last year which is the lowest figure for almost 20 years, government figures show.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16372527/ ... irst-year/


The number of teachers leaving last year jumped by 12.4 per cent, with 4,000 more departures in 2020-21 than the previous year. Some 36,262 staff – 8.1 per cent of all teachers – left the state-funded sector. However, this is still lower than the 9.4 per cent in 2018-19 before the pandemic

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/dfe-teacher-v ... ment-data/

Ahead of the National Education Union (NEU) annual conference in Bournemouth this week, it published data on Monday revealing that 44% of teachers plan to leave the profession by 2027.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ress-trust

Of course I could move companies.

So why haven't you?

The same many and varied reasons the majority of public sector workers don't, as well as me working hard and getting a promotion at work into the next pay band meaning luckily for me the 2.5% wasn't too painful. Or maybe I'm just as stupid as the public sector workers who don't move.

But my point is and it was quite clear that if you really don't like something move, don't compare yourself to something else like the above article, shit or get off the pot. It's like my oppo at work who keeps telling me he could earn 20k more elsewhere...well go then or shut the fuck up.

There are some industries seeing huge wage increases and others getting bugger all. Some of those huge jumps have been in hospitality, people who still after massive wage growth still earn less than teachers for example, but if teachers want a %chunk increase due to false equivalence then go work in a restaurant

[Horse]

Teachers ...

15 per cent quit after 12 months
25 per leaving within three years
four in ten had left after a decade.



The number leaving last year jumped by 12.4 per cent
4,000 more departures in 2020-21 than the previous year.
Some 36,262 staff – 8.1 per cent of all teachers

44% plan to leave the profession by 2027.

the majority of public sector workers don't

Well, using those ^ figures, even if not a majority
It's a high %

if teachers want a %chunk increase due to false equivalence then go work in a restaurant

'False equivalence', do you mean wanting inflation equivalent pay rises, or to regain parity that they had previously?

[Docca]

Yeah right

Last year I got a temporary 15% drop in pay over summer to save the firm.

This year we've been given a 2.5% rise which is less than any public sector job I've seen the unions moaning about.

Teachers are getting a minimum rise of double mine, inspite the fact I was doing their job for them, whilst still doing mine...on reduced pay for the best part of 18 months.

Of course I could move companies. Oh wait so can public sector staff as well.

My rise is 1.9% and when you factor in pension increases it’s actually a drop.

I also get your move point, but it’s the wrong one to make. What’s happening in the NHS is we are losing workforce and not replacing them because of pay and conditions. Trained nurses and doctors and allied health professionals.

This is directly impacting on direct care as we don’t have the resources. That means much longer waiting lists ( especially for kids mental health - we’re talking years on a referral list now) - but everywhere effected.

[Count Steer]

Oh, and to add, the unionised, manual workers in my company balloted yesterday for their pay deal, 6.75% plus £1k bonus in sept backdated to April, and in Jan, another 6% and £1k.

Can't wait for the professional grades pay offer next march

You won't see that sort of pay deal in the public sector

No you won't see that sort of deal in the public sector so people will leave and they'll probably end up dropping the entry requirements to prop up staffing levels. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Just what you want teaching children, tending the sick, etc etc etc.

Unrest? Pay settlements? Wait until the next hike in the minimum energy tariff and bills go up 65% in October. Welcome back from your summer holibobs new Prime Minister, here's your in-tray. Now, about those tax cuts....

[Supermofo]

15 per cent quit after 12 months
25 per leaving within three years
four in ten had left after a decade.



The number leaving last year jumped by 12.4 per cent
4,000 more departures in 2020-21 than the previous year.
Some 36,262 staff – 8.1 per cent of all teachers

44% plan to leave the profession by 2027.

the majority of public sector workers don't

Well, using those ^ figures, even if not a majority
It's a high %

if teachers want a %chunk increase due to false equivalence then go work in a restaurant

'False equivalence', do you mean wanting inflation equivalent pay rises, or to regain parity that they had previously?

And speaking to a fair few teachers the reasons for leaving aren't just pay related either. Nor are teachers all public sector workers.

I picked on teachers as I kept hearing how difficult lockdown teaching was for them. Well I can tell you it was no picnic for working parents either. Teachers are also doing better in the payrise stakes than the NHS or police. Or council workers or HMRC but no one cares about them poor buggers.

We'd all like inflationary payrises at a minimum, we won't all get them. So make a choice. Crying that someone else doing a different job or in a different sector will is a bit pointless.

At a fundamental level I agree its bad public sector workers aren't getting inflationary busting payrises but not everyone else in the private sector is either.

[Supermofo]

Yeah right

Last year I got a temporary 15% drop in pay over summer to save the firm.

This year we've been given a 2.5% rise which is less than any public sector job I've seen the unions moaning about.

Teachers are getting a minimum rise of double mine, inspite the fact I was doing their job for them, whilst still doing mine...on reduced pay for the best part of 18 months.

Of course I could move companies. Oh wait so can public sector staff as well.

My rise is 1.9% and when you factor in pension increases it’s actually a drop.

I also get your move point, but it’s the wrong one to make. What’s happening in the NHS is we are losing workforce and not replacing them because of pay and conditions. Trained nurses and doctors and allied health professionals.

This is directly impacting on direct care as we don’t have the resources. That means much longer waiting lists ( especially for kids mental health - we’re talking years on a referral list now) - but everywhere effected.

Not having a pop. Sorry, long day and all that

[Supermofo]

the majority of public sector workers don't

Well, using those ^ figures, even if not a majority
It's a high %

if teachers want a %chunk increase due to false equivalence then go work in a restaurant

'False equivalence', do you mean wanting inflation equivalent pay rises, or to regain parity that they had previously?

And speaking to a fair few teachers the reasons for leaving aren't just pay related either. Nor are teachers all public sector workers.

I picked on teachers as I kept hearing how difficult lockdown teaching was for them. Well I can tell you it was no picnic for working parents either. Teachers are also doing better in the payrise stakes than the NHS or police. Or council workers or HMRC but no one cares about them poor buggers.

We'd all like inflationary payrises at a minimum, we won't all get them. So make a choice. Crying that someone else doing a different job or in a different sector will is a bit pointless.

At a fundamental level I agree its bad public sector workers aren't getting inflationary busting payrises but not everyone else in the private sector is either.

Forget all that, I'm turning into someone arguing on the Internet

[Horse]

And speaking to a fair few teachers the reasons for leaving aren't just pay related either.

Nor are teachers all public sector workers.

Two very good points. If you're talking to teachers then you'll know those other reasons. Loss of pay parity won't help.

Yes, academies and private schools don't have to keep to Govt teachers' pay and conditions. They even have to employ qualified teachers.

Well I can tell you it was no picnic for working parents either.

Funnily enough, you often hear people say about how cushy teachers have life. But I've never heard anyone say " ... so I'm going to become a teacher!"

NHS or police. Or council workers or HMRC but no one cares about them poor buggers.

No-one? Really?

inflationary busting payrises but not everyone else in the private sector is either.

Did anyone say that was the case? FWIW, I had a 'voluntary' covid pay cut too)

[JackyJoll]

'Twas always thus.

Private sector = better pay, less pension, less security
Public sector = lower pay, better pension, more security

Private sector = actually have to do some work.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

LOL I'm getting 5% this year the same as public sector workers, our pay rises have matched public sector for the 18 years I've been here

[Greenman]

'Twas always thus.

Private sector = better pay, less pension, less security
Public sector = lower pay, better pension, more security

Private sector = actually have to do some work.

Not always.

If you had to do my public sector job you'd probably be at home crying within a week.

When i was working for the LA doing a similar job, we employed 2 ex private sector employees. One come from the finance industry and wanted an easier life (so he thought) and the other was an ex Private sector I.T manager, both in their early 50's.

Within 2 months finance boy was found under a desk crying as he could not cope with the amount of requests coming to him at the schools on top of his normal work load and manager boy handed in his notice after 4 months due to stress and not being able to cope!

[JackyJoll]

'Twas always thus.

Private sector = better pay, less pension, less security
Public sector = lower pay, better pension, more security

Private sector = actually have to do some work.

Not always.

If you had to do my public sector job you'd probably be at home crying within a week.

When i was working for the LA doing a similar job, we employed 2 ex private sector employees. One come from the finance industry and wanted an easier life (so he thought) and the other was an ex Private sector I.T manager, both in their early 50's.

Within 2 months finance boy was found under a desk crying as he could not cope with the amount of requests coming to him at the schools on top of his normal work load and manager boy handed in his notice after 4 months due to stress and not being able to cope!

Your job? Hah!

I could do your little girly so-called job during my under-desk crying breaks from my own real man’s job.