Art. Poncy guff or inspiring objects?

[Horse]

Mostly poncy guff. Especially noticeable when a local councillor gets his hands on a few 100k to improve an area, he wants to be remembered so instead of spending it on something useful he finds a nice artist willing to take it all off his hands and do the thinking for him.

That.

Local town centre is a dying shithole. Local council has just spent £80 or £90k on what looks like a 6 year olds version ofa totem pole. Only about 30 ft tall.

Sure it's not a gibbet, for hanging the whingers?

We have one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combe_Gibbet

[Horse]

Yebbut those never actually worked. Art isn't even supposed to work.

They worked, but were hardly, if ever, used.

[Mr. Dazzle]

OK, they were ineffective then. Bit like Art.

[Horse]

OK, they were ineffective then. Bit like Art.

This thread has us discussing art, that's an effect

[Mr. Dazzle]

I wonder if the designers of those reflectors ever thought of that.

[Count Steer]

I wonder if the designers of those reflectors ever thought of that.

Design is an art form.

[Horse]

I wonder if the designers of those reflectors ever thought of that.

Design is an art form.

As the two great sayings go:

"Form follows function"
And a motoring one for Dazzle
"Add lightness and simplicate"

[Count Steer]

Oh yeah, if anyone is interested in the art world/market, the 2018 film 'The Price of Everything' is available on BBC4 catch-up. The marvellous, classic bike racing Larry Poons features prominently. There's stuff on Jeff Koons playing the market at their own game (even selling futures...which get traded before the work ever gets made...NFTs before NFTs ever got invented. ) It's an easy, amusing and occasionally jaw dropping watch.

[Mr. Dazzle]

"Form follows function"

Perfectly exemplified by the fact you don't see those sound reflectors anywhere any more

[Horse]

"Form follows function"

Perfectly exemplified by the fact you don't see those sound reflectors anywhere any more

Radar reflectors don't reflect sound Different function

[Mr. Dazzle]

Those are sound mirrors?

https://g.co/kgs/sv2U98

Binned off precisely cause Radar works miles better?

I'm characterising this whole discussion as a performance piece BTW.

[Count Steer]

Those are sound mirrors?

https://g.co/kgs/sv2U98

Binned off precisely cause Radar works miles better?

I'm characterising this whole discussion as a performance piece BTW.

*puts on white gloves and pretends to be stuck in an invisible box*

[Horse]

Those are sound mirrors?

https://g.co/kgs/sv2U98

Binned off precisely cause Radar works miles better?

I'm characterising this whole discussion as a performance piece BTW.

*puts on white gloves and pretends to be stuck in an invisible box*

I thought Dazzle would be more modern interpretive dance.

[Mr Moofo]

Oh yeah, if anyone is interested in the art world/market, the 2018 film 'The Price of Everything' is available on BBC4 catch-up. The marvellous, classic bike racing Larry Poons features prominently. There's stuff on Jeff Koons playing the market at their own game (even selling futures...which get traded before the work ever gets made...NFTs before NFTs ever got invented. ) It's an easy, amusing and occasionally jaw dropping watch.

Whilst I like the art dynamic, I hate NFTs. It’s just emperor’s new clothes …

[demographic]

There's a fair bit of art that I really like, and some I think is a bit shite.
I reckon that other peoples idea of which is shite will be different than mine, proving just how subjective it is so I still like the concept of art if not always the execution.

There does seem to be a bit of money laundering in the art market as well as the uber rich enflating values in order to get tax breaks on gifts to gallerys.


Oh and that sound reflector thing? I bet that was a bastard to shutter as it's hard to make compound curves out of plywood. I wonder if they used something like a dished metal end section of a pressure vessel (often rotary swaged with rollers and lots of heat) to give a parabola shape and took it onto the next one and shuttered the rest the more traditional way using plywood shutters and a steel framework.

I'd like to see one up close.

[MingtheMerciless]

I was watching something about the sound mirrors and they worked well for slow moving stuff like Zeppelin's but as aircraft got faster the advance warning they gave became too short. Also they amplified and focussed all sounds, from agriculture to sea birds as well as aircraft so the human noise discrimination and detector had to be very good and apparently they would only work 40 minute shifts due to the concentration required.

[Horse]

Oh and that sound reflector thing? I bet that was a bastard to shutter as it's hard to make compound curves out of plywood. I wonder if they used something like a dished metal end section of a pressure vessel (often rotary swaged with rollers and lots of heat) to give a parabola shape and took it onto the next one and shuttered the rest the more traditional way using plywood shutters and a steel framework.

I'd like to see one up close.

Want to visit?
Lade Pits is open all year round to visitors.
https://www.rspb.org.uk/reserves-and-ev ... d-mirrors/

Or cut them out of chalk?

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-wh ... nd-mirrors

[Ant]

My favourite art are the large rainbows that the NHS put up outside of hospitals, at a cost of £200k each, whilst apparently being under funded.

[Count Steer]

There's a fair bit of art that I really like, and some I think is a bit shite.
I reckon that other peoples idea of which is shite will be different than mine, proving just how subjective it is so I still like the concept of art if not always the execution.

There does seem to be a bit of money laundering in the art market as well as the uber rich enflating values in order to get tax breaks on gifts to gallerys.

At the top level the market is simply a racket where the very wealthy decide what qualifies as a high value token, then manipulate the price (as opposed to the value) of it. If no-one new came into the market they'd have to keep moving stuff around between themselves to maintain the apparent value. They like it when new money (oligarchs, Chinese) come in as they can off-load stuff and decide which things are going to be the new tokens. The major galleries are complicit in the racket, as are the keepers of the catalogue raisonné's, the valuers, auction houses etc etc etc. (I really do recommend watching 'The Price of Everything' it's an eye opener).

The rest of us can carry on buying things we like (if I can, I buy them from people I like too ) or going to see things we like. There's a lot of art out there.

[Horse]

The rest of us can carry on buying things we like (if I can, I buy them from people I like too )

There's a lot of art out there.

That's the principle Filly and I go by.

Actually, there are a few 'tests':
- do we both like it?
- where would it go?
- HOW MUCH?!?!?

We have a fair bit of 'art' in a normal-sized house. It includes 'wall' stuff (paintings, drawings, prints) and a few sculptures/objects.

Some is prints where the original would be unaffordable, other is stuff that we have done. Also some by late FinLaw.

Often there is sentimental value too.

Only one item has actual 'value'. Over 20 years its value has stayed constant, so not an investment

All of it is enjoyed, some every day. Can't really put a price on that.