Energica Experia

[KungFooBob]

https://www.energicamotor.com/en/models ... a-experia/

Looks pretty cool for a leccy bike (I like the ADV stylings), there's a whiff of Multistrada about it.





Enjoys the largest battery capacity of any electric motorcycle
22.5 kWh maximum (19.6 kWh nominal) – The new battery although larger in capacity has a lower overall weight and different mass distribution, making the Experia quite a pleasure to ride in mixed terrain.

But then...

RANGE
City: 420 km (261 miles)
Combined: 256 km (160 miles)
Extra-Urban: 208 km (130 miles)
WMTC: 222 km (138 miles)

I did almost 200 miles yesterday without a fill up and that was just to the seaside. If I wanted to hit the alps I'd need to charge it 10 times.

I still like it, but I really can't see how you'd manage to tour on it, I'd need probably 250 miles a day range for it to be any use.

[The Spin Doctor]

Didn't you stop at the seaside? How long were you there for?

The problem is the lack of availability of ultra-fast chargers in places people want to go. Someone has ridden a Zero round the UK but 'refuelling' often involved sitting beside a public charger in a lamp post or round the back of a petrol station. The chargers need to be where people want to be, in parking bays and at cafes as well as for convenience like motorway services!

And I make London to Lucerne - on the edge of the Alps - 600 miles. Even at the worst case 130 mile range, that's only five stops on the way, assuming you start with a full tank, and leaving a bit in reserve too. You might be at the other end of the UK - I don't know - but I very much doubt you'll be making the journey in a single day if you are.

[KungFooBob]

It's 260 miles to Dover for me

I also don't use tolls unless I have to.

I did stop at the seaside, just long enough to have some chips and lose £20 on the bandits.

I'd be happy to stop for an hour or two to recharge every 250 miles if needed. Ideally Id do 250 miles a day and let it recharge over night.

130 mile range would take some careful planning.

[The Spin Doctor]

It's 260 miles to Dover for me

I also don't use tolls unless I have to.

I did stop at the seaside, just long enough to have some chips and lose £20 on the bandits.

I'd be happy to stop for an hour or two to recharge every 250 miles if needed. Ideally Id do 250 miles a day and let it recharge over night.

130 mile range would take some careful planning.

OK, so being on the pessimistic side, one and a half extra refills as it's about sixty miles to Dover from London! We're still a bit short of ten charges

If you're riding cross country (and paying lip-service to speed limits) you're unlikely to get much over 50 mph average speed (it took me 16 hours to ride 900 miles back from N Italy to Zeebrugge and half of that was on the Autobahn in Germany), so you'd be stopping every 2.5 hours for a top-up if you were maxing it out to the worst case 130 mile range. The XJ will do about 175 miles on a tank before I get twitchy, so it would be a ratio of about 2 stops on the petrol engine to 3 on the leccie. I could live with that, seeing as my bum usually needs a break by then.

I don't know what the fast charge times on the Experia are - I can't see it on their website - but I'd guess at something like 80% in an hour based on Zero's figures. So even a 30 min chip break should put 40-50% back in the battery (it's topping it off that takes the time, I believe) so that means you should actually get at least another 50 miles with a pretty short stop.

OK, it's still not going to be as easy to do monster miles in a day, but I'm quite happy not to be in such a rush.

I took two nights stop to get to Cornwall for my recent presentation and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I did the return journey in one day including a morning's sight-seeing in Cornwall with a couple of stops that could have topped off the battery again, plus a two hour break visiting a friend in Devon who's just finished a course of radio therapy which would have pretty much brought the battery back to full charge again, ready for the 160 miles home - it would have been tight, but with a bit of restraint, the figures suggest that the Experia would probably have made it in one, and would certainly have made it if I'd stopped for a coffee and a quick recharge.

Maybe we just need to recalibrate ourselves and take a slightly more leisurely approach to riding again

[The Spin Doctor]

PS I'm not suggesting that e-bikes are the solution for every one and every situation but I'd suggest most of us could live with a bike like this most of the time. We just need to be flexible enough to see solutions rather than problems

The main issue with the Experia is the 250-odd kg of weight!

[Couchy]

Rev it up what does it sound like ?

[KungFooBob]

Can't sound any worse than my GS LC, it's like a dozen spanners in a tumble drier.

[The Spin Doctor]

Rev it up what does it sound like ?

If it's like the Zeros, like a jet engine spooling up! Awesome.

[Cousin Jack]

Maybe we just need to recalibrate ourselves and take a slightly more leisurely approach to riding again

You are probably right, but I still want MUCH better charging infrastructure before I go anywhere near an electric vehicle. And an ADV bike is supposed to be capable of off-road/dirt road stuff, so 130 miles is VERY limiting. Ewan and Charlie would never make it if they tried the Long Way Around on one of those.

[Horse]

Maybe we just need to recalibrate ourselves and take a slightly more leisurely approach to riding again

MUCH better charging infrastructure

See today's KoFi / Fb post - Spin says something similar

[The Spin Doctor]

Maybe we just need to recalibrate ourselves and take a slightly more leisurely approach to riding again

You are probably right, but I still want MUCH better charging infrastructure before I go anywhere near an electric vehicle. And an ADV bike is supposed to be capable of off-road/dirt road stuff, so 130 miles is VERY limiting. Ewan and Charlie would never make it if they tried the Long Way Around on one of those.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/long-way-up-tv-/

Well, they made it the Long Way Up...

And I did mention the infrastructure issue earlier... explained it a bit more clearly on FB / Ko-Fi...

[Cousin Jack]

I accept that we could all do stuff to partially charge electric vehicles that wouldn't take forever. Taking 20 mins over coffee while the bike charges wouldn't kill me..............BUT

I really cannot be arsed! My contribution to saving the planet will be infinitesimally small even if I do everything I can. Meanwhile global leaders fly all over the world for 'meetings' that are no more than photo opportunities, and the uber-rich do not GAS how much fuel their mega-yacht consumes.

Saving the planet is doomed to failure (or more accurately homo sapiens seems doomed for extinction) so I will do what is economically sound & convenient for me. One day that may well include using an electric vehicle instead of an ICE vehicle, but that day has not yet come.

[Horse]

I really cannot be arsed! My contribution to saving the planet will be infinitesimally small even if I do everything I can.

A major benefit from increased use of EVs is improved air quality where the vehicles are used

Similar to removing lead from petrol or using catalytic converters.

That is something that you would be making a difference to.

Saving the planet is doomed

The planet will persist whatever we do, it doesn't care about us, it doesn't want saving.

[Mr. Dazzle]

My contribution to saving the planet will be infinitesimally small even if I do everything I can.

Tis true.

But it is true of everyone. As is the opposite.

Soooo.....

[Cousin Jack]

I really cannot be arsed! My contribution to saving the planet will be infinitesimally small even if I do everything I can.

A major benefit from increased use of EVs is improved air quality where the vehicles are used

Similar to removing lead from petrol or using catalytic converters.

That is something that you would be making a difference to.

When the Govt stops using fleets of cars to transport the PM from Downing St to the H of C (a 6 minute walk) I will think they might be serious about city centre emissions. Until then I am not bovered.

[Count Steer]

My contribution to saving the planet will be infinitesimally small even if I do everything I can.

Tis true.

But it is true of everyone. As is the opposite.

Soooo.....

Makes me laugh. Just little old me won't make a difference. Everyone should have said that instead of volunteering in the wars 'cos individually they probably made uggber all difference.

Even better, the government spend billions and billions, my little contribution is irrelevant, so I'll stop paying taxes. Yay!

[Cousin Jack]

My contribution to saving the planet will be infinitesimally small even if I do everything I can.

Tis true.
home sapiens however may b
But it is true of everyone. As is the opposite.

Soooo.....

My point is that any credible plan to 'save the planet', like any other complex long-term plan, should be aiming at the big targets first. Taking aim at the multiple small targets will waste a lot of effort for not much gain. I don't have the figures but am prepared to bet that the UK contribution to say global warming via CO2 emissions (other measures of pollution are available) is fairly small compared to say China or the USA. Why should I bother in the UK, when whatever we do the big boys keep right on out-polluting us?

Similarly my personal pollution is very much lower than say the PM, or POTUS, or any billionaire you care to mention. When they are forced to endure inconvenience to 'save the planet' you can ask me to do so too, and I will listen. Whist they are immune I will be continue to be an unwilling participant in their plans to make me change my ways.

BTW, global warming (and cooling) is something that happens. Our burning of fossil fuels certainly hasn't helped, but the planet will be OK, it will survive and species will adapt to the new environment. Some species will not manage of course, and we may be one of them, but hey ho.

[slowsider]

That's sticking it to the man

[Horse]

When the Govt stops using fleets of cars to transport the PM from Downing St to the H of C (a 6 minute walk) I will think they might be serious about city centre emissions. Until then I am not bovered.

You're using politicians as role models? Really?

[Cousin Jack]

You're using politicians as role models? Really?

Not really role models, but they are the ones telling me I can't do stuff, whilst doing it themselves. Bit like Partygate really.