NI increases kick in this month.. the masses are in uproar.

[v8-powered]

Hits people that work through an umbrella company worse as have to pay both employee and employer NI plus the new increases. That does sting a bit....

That'll learn them for their tax fiddling ways. Which are like stealing kidney dialysis machines from hospital children's wards.

Harsh lol. Whole thing of contractors being under IR35 and umbrella companies is that they can't - I'm treated as an employee but without employees perks.....

[G.P]

Hits people that work through an umbrella company worse as have to pay both employee and employer NI plus the new increases. That does sting a bit....

That'll learn them for their tax fiddling ways. Which are like stealing kidney dialysis machines from hospital children's wards.

Harsh lol. Whole thing of contractors being under IR35 and umbrella companies is that they can't - I'm treated as an employee but without employees perks.....

I didn't hang around and took another contract in the end but when the original proposition that you need to pay the Employers NI as well as employee NI came along (The year is got postponed) My client conceded that if they were defining the relationship as that of and Employer / employee, they should carry the Employers NI Burden by increasing the base rate to cater for the 13.9%.
Also, they conceded that AWR would Apply. so the rate had to be equal to the gross value best paid employee in the same role including the value of his annual leave, Pension, Car Allowance, BUPA etc etc etc..

[David]

I did notice that whilst Mrs. Gremlin and I were having our monthly money fight after both being paid, that the heap of £20 and £50 notes did seems a trifle smaller, only filling the east wing ballroom to just above the waists.....

Times are indeed hard.


Edit: just checked this month's vs. last month's payslip. Bit of a shit in terms of the NI rise, but yeah, I'm with Weeksy. If you see a big increase, you must be earning it, so be grateful for that problem.

In fairness, the east wing ballroom is the smaller of the three.......

[Jody]

In my head NI is supposed to be for things like the NHS, Unemployment benefit, sick pay etc.
If this rise was going to lead to nurses getting paid 15% more 'people' probably wouldn't mind.
When it's paired with critical underfunding of the NHS, people get the hump !

I have to say this doesn't affect me twice. Firstly as I'm on a French contract so don't pay NI, secondly my wages are agreed at a "take home" rate so increases like this pas me by !

Well at this stage, we don't know where it'll go.... but i honestly wonder if anyone knows exactly where it'll go or whether it all just gets thrown into the big pot and allocated out.

If there was a directly associated account and the public could see where/how exactly it's spent, i think that would make people a lot happier.

But that's an unrealistic expectation i think

Nail- Head

As an aside I overheard a wealthy guest a few years ago " I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax if I had more say about what it was spent on "

[Bike Breaker]

I read the title as "a kick in the mouth".

[wheelnut]

Well at this stage, we don't know where it'll go.... but i honestly wonder if anyone knows exactly where it'll go or whether it all just gets thrown into the big pot and allocated out.

If there was a directly associated account and the public could see where/how exactly it's spent, i think that would make people a lot happier.

But that's an unrealistic expectation i think

I think that's the general idea - that the rise is ringfenced.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -care-levy

[weeksy]

Well at this stage, we don't know where it'll go.... but i honestly wonder if anyone knows exactly where it'll go or whether it all just gets thrown into the big pot and allocated out.

If there was a directly associated account and the public could see where/how exactly it's spent, i think that would make people a lot happier.

But that's an unrealistic expectation i think

I think that's the general idea - that the rise is ringfenced.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -care-levy

I see that. But I'm a bit cynical

[Hoonercat]

Hits people that work through an umbrella company worse as have to pay both employee and employer NI plus the new increases. That does sting a bit....

That'll learn them for their tax fiddling ways. Which are like stealing kidney dialysis machines from hospital children's wards.

Nowhere near as much fun though

[wheelnut]

I see that. But I'm a bit cynical

I think you’re probably correct to be. In order to convince everyone, they’ve even mandated that a message be put on to everyone’s payslips from this month.

[demographic]

Well at this stage, we don't know where it'll go.... but i honestly wonder if anyone knows exactly where it'll go or whether it all just gets thrown into the big pot and allocated out.

If there was a directly associated account and the public could see where/how exactly it's spent, i think that would make people a lot happier.

But that's an unrealistic expectation i think

I think that's the general idea - that the rise is ringfenced.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -care-levy

I suspect that if you ringfence some money but not all of it you might as well not have bothered and its just done for PR reasons.
Annual sweets budget of a tenner, five of its from Bob and ringfenced to go on sweets for everyone.
Five comes from everyone else, Katy controls the and spending spraffs it on weapons.

Now there's only a fiver for the sweets, which fiver was used? It's all just interchangable numbers.

[Asian Boss]

That'll learn them for their tax fiddling ways. Which are like stealing kidney dialysis machines from hospital children's wards.

Yes, tax fiddling bastards. And they get lots of other benefits too, no paid holidays, no pension apart from what they contribute, no sick pay, no security of employment.

I'm pretty sure security of employment has been Brexited away. Statutory redundancy payments have been stripped back to almost zero since we left the EU.

Just as well when there's many tens of billions which went to cronies to be paid for. That's the Brexit I voted for.

[irie]

That'll learn them for their tax fiddling ways. Which are like stealing kidney dialysis machines from hospital children's wards.

Yes, tax fiddling bastards. And they get lots of other benefits too, no paid holidays, no pension apart from what they contribute, no sick pay, no security of employment.

I'm pretty sure security of employment has been Brexited away. Statutory redundancy payments have been stripped back to almost zero since we left the EU.

Just as well when there's many tens of billions which went to cronies to be paid for. That's the Brexit I voted for.

That old broken record is well past its sell by date.

[Asian Boss]

Brexited away! By Bracists!



Nasty old grasping fear zone Bracists.

[demographic]

That'll learn them for their tax fiddling ways. Which are like stealing kidney dialysis machines from hospital children's wards.

Yes, tax fiddling bastards. And they get lots of other benefits too, no paid holidays, no pension apart from what they contribute, no sick pay, no security of employment.

I'm pretty sure security of employment has been Brexited away. Statutory redundancy payments have been stripped back to almost zero since we left the EU.

Just as well when there's many tens of billions which went to cronies to be paid for. That's the Brexit I voted for.

Security of employment seems to have taken a real hit from P&O recently.
I might be wrong but I've not heard of 800 French P&O workers being sacked so was it just British workers who were replaced?

[Count Steer]

Yes, tax fiddling bastards. And they get lots of other benefits too, no paid holidays, no pension apart from what they contribute, no sick pay, no security of employment.

I'm pretty sure security of employment has been Brexited away. Statutory redundancy payments have been stripped back to almost zero since we left the EU.

Just as well when there's many tens of billions which went to cronies to be paid for. That's the Brexit I voted for.

Security of employment seems to have taken a real hit from P&O recently.
I might be wrong but I've not heard of 800 French P&O workers being sacked so was it just British workers who were replaced?

Neither French contract or Netherlands contract crews were sacked according to shipping mag Sea Breezes. Just the UK then. (I think their contracts were actually issued in Jersey ).

[demographic]

Neither French contract or Netherlands contract crews were sacked according to shipping mag Sea Breezes. Just the UK then. (I think their contracts were actually issued in Jersey ).

Is there some new and convoluted way we can blame The French for this?

[slowsider]

Neither French contract or Netherlands contract crews were sacked according to shipping mag Sea Breezes. Just the UK then. (I think their contracts were actually issued in Jersey ).

Is there some new and convoluted way we can blame The French for this?

No, the tried and trusted way will have to do.

[Count Steer]

Neither French contract or Netherlands contract crews were sacked according to shipping mag Sea Breezes. Just the UK then. (I think their contracts were actually issued in Jersey ).

Is there some new and convoluted way we can blame The French for this?

Well, obviously it's their fault. If they didn't manage to operate ferries at competitive prices while paying crew properly, P&O could raise prices and wouldn't need cheap crews (or could trouser more profit). Damn French, undercutting fine British, Dubai owned businesses by running their businesses properly.

Frankly I'm shocked that any true Brit wants to cross The Channel in the first place, there's perfectly good places here to have a holiday. Just what exactly is wrong with a week in a boarding house in Margate? Fine food, sunshine, lovely beaches.

Oops. I appear to have caught the new variant of Mailid19.

[slowsider]

There, that's how it's done

[Mussels]

I looked at a French paper on why French workers weren't sacked and it said it was harder to do it in France but they then printed rules which didn't look much different, I'm not sure why they needed to mention the rule about sex with an unknown person on a business trip.
Maybe it is as simple as the UK workers were being paid significantly more and nobody wants to admit it.