Russell Brand

[Hoonercat]

I'm not getting involved in all the other conspiracy static, but if you honestly believe that the UK mainstream media has an 'extreme left wing bias' then I have some beachfront property in Sheffield you may be interested in.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that the Sun, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express, the Telegraph, the Evening Standard, Metro, the Times and the Financial Times are 'extreme left wing'? Most, if not all, of them are owned by rich non-doms who maintain an iron grip on the right-wing content they promote. Just look back at the vitriol they directed at Jeremy Corbyn, the only genuine left-wing leader of the Labour party since Michael Foot in the
early 80s.

Extreme left wing, my arse.

When the leader of the free world goes off script he threatens to send troops into Ukraine or depose Putin, he even hinted the USA would "respond in kind" to chemical warfare. The guy is a walking disaster and this has had a huge effect globally to the extent that the WEF are being overt about their intention to take power directly rather than the current system of "lobbying" western governments.

I've pretty much given up replying to your posts because your political bias clouds everything you say. You started a thread about Russia invading Ukraine in which you opinioned the reason for the invasion would be the US being weak under Biden. Since the invasion, it's been widely accepted (and mentioned by both Western and former Russian 'players') that Putin has no respect for 'weakness', ie leaders that try to pacify him (Germany, France to an extent, etc). Biden says 'Fuck it, let's step outside, and he's gone from a weak president to a 'walking disaster' in your eyes.

[Screwdriver]

I've pretty much given up replying to your posts because your political bias clouds everything you say. You started a thread about Russia invading Ukraine in which you opinioned the reason for the invasion would be the US being weak under Biden. Since the invasion, it's been widely accepted (and mentioned by both Western and former Russian 'players') that Putin has no respect for 'weakness', ie leaders that try to pacify him (Germany, France to an extent, etc). Biden says 'Fuck it, let's step outside, and he's gone from a weak president to a 'walking disaster' in your eyes.

I hadn't noticed, sorry.

I do believe a weak US and a fake president has led to this situation but your gung ho attitude here is the sort of knee jerk unthinking support that can easily lead to war. While that is a very popular option among the weapons industry, it is not something to be so casual about.

By "let's step outside" I assume you mean boots on the ground, chemical weapons tit for tat and let's get rid of Putin.

It might be a bit too much to hope for but if you would just actually engage your brain for a microsecond and think about what you just said, you will discover this:

If the US sends troops into Ukraine, the US will have declared war with Russia. That will literally cause a World War and WW3 is going to be devastating, especially with a thug like Putin in control and especially since China is leaning towards Russia as an ally.

If Russia use chemical weapons against Ukraine (which as we speak is beginning to look very likely) and the US responds in kind, that's not a tough guy message but more of a no holds barred green light to exterminating populations in the name of war. IN THE HEART OF EUROPE...

"We can't let this guy stay in power" is an obscenely idiotic statement made by one leader of a nuclear power against another.

So no, I don't see any conflict in my position that Biden is a walking disaster because he is a weak minded feeble puppet leader. It bolsters that opinion since these "off script" mindless ramblings of a senile old fool have been "walked back" time and time again in an attempt to mitigate an apocalyptic disaster for mankind as a whole.

[Hoonercat]

I've pretty much given up replying to your posts because your political bias clouds everything you say. You started a thread about Russia invading Ukraine in which you opinioned the reason for the invasion would be the US being weak under Biden. Since the invasion, it's been widely accepted (and mentioned by both Western and former Russian 'players') that Putin has no respect for 'weakness', ie leaders that try to pacify him (Germany, France to an extent, etc). Biden says 'Fuck it, let's step outside, and he's gone from a weak president to a 'walking disaster' in your eyes.

By "let's step outside" I assume you mean boots on the ground, chemical weapons tit for tat and let's get rid of Putin.

It might be a bit too much to hope for but if you would just actually engage your brain for a microsecond and think about what you just said, you will discover this:

If the US sends troops into Ukraine, the US will have declared war with Russia. That will literally cause a World War and WW3 is going to be devastating, especially with a thug like Putin in control and especially since China is leaning towards Russia as an ally.

No, I'm not talking about putting boots on the ground, I'm talking about the hardened stance he is taking with Russia.

[DefTrap]

I'm not getting the obsession with biden, unless it's to deflect from far more worrying and politically straightforward situations closer to home.

That the UK has a PM, and now a chancellor, who can lie, cheat and spin - and whose solution is to demand an enquiry into how they got found out - stringing it out just long enough to make it to the next crisis.
That France stands a very good chance of fairly electing a nazi president, on the basis that they have displayed a good economic policy (and oh yeah screw Islam).

[Hoonercat]

That France stands a very good chance of fairly electing a nazi president, on the basis that they have displayed a good economic policy (and oh yeah screw Islam).

This article is 5 years old, but still very relevant given the current climate in Euope.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39478066

[Horse]

... a weak US and a fake president has led to this situation

So no, I don't see any conflict in my position that Biden is a walking disaster because he is a weak minded feeble puppet

So weak and feeble president with a drag-addled incompetent son - but still able to be billion dollar international masterminds?

[Screwdriver]

No, I'm not talking about putting boots on the ground, I'm talking about the hardened stance he is taking with Russia.

Yes you are. You may try and back-pedal here but your response is above

I'm not getting the obsession with biden...

Oh, well wait until the next time you put some petrol in the tank or see the size of your next energy bill.

So weak and feeble president with a drag-addled incompetent son - but still able to be billion dollar international masterminds?

Let me get this right. Your response to the proposition that Biden is a corrupt mafia style politician using his family members to launder money from foreign agencies is somehow "proof" that he is not "weak and feeble"?

[Horse]

So weak and feeble president with a drag-addled incompetent son - but still able to be billion dollar international masterminds?

Let me get this right. Your response to the proposition that Biden is a corrupt mafia style politician using his family members to launder money from foreign agencies is somehow "proof" that he is not "weak and feeble"?

Nope. Totally the opposite, I'm not trying to prove anything.

It seems that your descriptions of him vary according to the case you want to make at the time.
And they seem totally contradictory. He's an incredibly successful manipulative International businessman who is, at the same time, totally incompetent.

[Screwdriver]

Nope. Totally the opposite, I'm not trying to prove anything.

It seems that your descriptions of him vary according to the case you want to make at the time.
And they seem totally contradictory. He's an incredibly successful manipulative International businessman who is, at the same time, totally incompetent.

I am tired of these nit picking semantic issues you seem to have with my criticisms. As for the "content" of your argument, it is as vacuous and empty as Joe Bidens presidency.

Let's say I somehow manage to install my cat as the president of the United States. I do this by manipulating the law on voting in swing states, pay groups of people to hoover up and fill out postal votes then employ my own people to count and record the results. I can hide this process so noone can see what I'm doing, have the data further massaged by simply connecting the electronic counting machines to a network. Then all I have to do is shred the evidence and accidentally lose the machines or simply refuse any court order to hand them over for inspection.

Great. We now have a cat for President. He is a bit useless as a President (and as it happens, a bit dead) nevermind, I can leverage from my position as the controller of the most powerful office in the world. It's my cat. I might for example send one of the kittens off to Ukraine. It doesn't actually have to go there, it can "sit on the board" from its cat basket off its tits on catnip and pussy.

I install it in one of the many corrupt oil/gas companies, in this case Burisma (there are so many to choose from). This is standard procedure for Russian/Ukrainian oligarchs and if anyone tries to investigate, I'll just have them fired or they won't get the loan guarantee which my cat currently is responsible for organising. Then all I have to do is stop producing oil in the US so we have to buy more of it from overseas and hey presto, multimillions/billions flow my way.

Naturally I have to hand over a few tidbits to "the big cat" but these are non trivial amounts of money. The skim for "the President" isn't even as much as the tip of the iceberg. Gigantic sums of money are being hoovered up, enough for a fleet of superyachts just like our Russian friends. Do a similar thing in China and start hunting Zoopla for a nice little island in the Carribean.

Oh and your argument that I can't simultaneously have a cat be so brilliant as to arrange all this and yet also be such an empty headed puppet? Doesn't matter, it is a dead cat.

[mangocrazy]

@Screwdriver
I notice that you've entirely avoided answering my simple question - Just what, exactly, do you describe as 'mainstream media'? Are we talking BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5 etc? You'll notice that I'm referring to UK media here, so that at least everyone knows what we're talking about.

[Horse]

Nope. Totally the opposite, I'm not trying to prove anything.

It seems that your descriptions of him vary according to the case you want to make at the time.
And they seem totally contradictory. He's an incredibly successful manipulative International businessman who is, at the same time, totally incompetent.

I am tired of these nit picking semantic issues you seem to have with my criticisms. As for the "content" of your argument, it is as vacuous and empty as Joe Bidens presidency.

Thanks for typing all that. But I read this far and CBA to see whether you are more interested in criticism of me than anything else.

You tell us Biden is incompetent or whatever
You tell us that he has made a fortune in business deals.

Can't be both.

But it's my fault for nit picking and semantics?

[DefTrap]

I am tired of these nit picking semantic issues you seem to have with my criticisms. As for the "content" of your argument, it is as vacuous and empty as Joe Bidens presidency.

Let's say I somehow manage to install my cat as the president of the United States. I do this by manipulating the law on voting in swing states, pay groups of people to hoover up and fill out postal votes then employ my own people to count and record the results. I can hide this process so noone can see what I'm doing, have the data further massaged by simply connecting the electronic counting machines to a network. Then all I have to do is shred the evidence and accidentally lose the machines or simply refuse any court order to hand them over for inspection.

Stop right there though - There isn't really any hard evidence that this fantastically complex sequence of events happened. Mass conspiracy is really, really difficult to hide.

And let's not forget that if it -was- voter fraud it was done just badly enough to work.

[DefTrap]

You tell us Biden is incompetent or whatever
You tell us that he has made a fortune in business deals.

Can't be both.

To be fair, you just described trump's presidency.

[mangocrazy]

Nope. Totally the opposite, I'm not trying to prove anything.

It seems that your descriptions of him vary according to the case you want to make at the time.
And they seem totally contradictory. He's an incredibly successful manipulative International businessman who is, at the same time, totally incompetent.

I am tired of these nit picking semantic issues you seem to have with my criticisms. As for the "content" of your argument, it is as vacuous and empty as Joe Bidens presidency.

Exhibit #1 - How to avoid justifying a totally schizophrenic position. Dismiss the argument as 'nit-picking' and 'vacuous' without giving any reason other than you're tired of it.

Let's say I somehow manage to install my cat as the president of the United States. I do this by manipulating the law on voting in swing states, pay groups of people to hoover up and fill out postal votes then employ my own people to count and record the results. I can hide this process so noone can see what I'm doing, have the data further massaged by simply connecting the electronic counting machines to a network. Then all I have to do is shred the evidence and accidentally lose the machines or simply refuse any court order to hand them over for inspection.

Great. We now have a cat for President. He is a bit useless as a President (and as it happens, a bit dead) nevermind, I can leverage from my position as the controller of the most powerful office in the world. It's my cat. I might for example send one of the kittens off to Ukraine. It doesn't actually have to go there, it can "sit on the board" from its cat basket off its tits on catnip and pussy.

I install it in one of the many corrupt oil/gas companies, in this case Burisma (there are so many to choose from). This is standard procedure for Russian/Ukrainian oligarchs and if anyone tries to investigate, I'll just have them fired or they won't get the loan guarantee which my cat currently is responsible for organising. Then all I have to do is stop producing oil in the US so we have to buy more of it from overseas and hey presto, multimillions/billions flow my way.

Naturally I have to hand over a few tidbits to "the big cat" but these are non trivial amounts of money. The skim for "the President" isn't even as much as the tip of the iceberg. Gigantic sums of money are being hoovered up, enough for a fleet of superyachts just like our Russian friends. Do a similar thing in China and start hunting Zoopla for a nice little island in the Carribean.

Oh and your argument that I can't simultaneously have a cat be so brilliant as to arrange all this and yet also be such an empty headed puppet? Doesn't matter, it is a dead cat.

Exhibit #2 - Take the argument back to your happy place by constructing an entirely fictional narrative that has no basis in anything other than the fruitcake delusions of your own mind.

[slowsider]

Straw cat, anyone ?

[Horse]

Straw cat, anyone ?

Eddie Woodward for Presidential?

And First Lady .... ?

[Screwdriver]

Thanks for typing all that. But I read this far and CBA to see whether you are more interested in criticism of me than anything else.

You tell us Biden is incompetent or whatever
You tell us that he has made a fortune in business deals.

Can't be both.

But it's my fault for nit picking and semantics?

You "can't be arsed" to read my response which patiently explains how a puppet president can make money just from being in office? Well then what are you doing in this thread?

Much as you would like to make this personal, I could not care less about you if I tried. I am much more concerned with the effect of this corporate sponsored takeover of America on my ability to survive.

[Screwdriver]

I am tired of these nit picking semantic issues you seem to have with my criticisms. As for the "content" of your argument, it is as vacuous and empty as Joe Bidens presidency.

Let's say I somehow manage to install my cat as the president of the United States. I do this by manipulating the law on voting in swing states, pay groups of people to hoover up and fill out postal votes then employ my own people to count and record the results. I can hide this process so noone can see what I'm doing, have the data further massaged by simply connecting the electronic counting machines to a network. Then all I have to do is shred the evidence and accidentally lose the machines or simply refuse any court order to hand them over for inspection.

Stop right there though - There isn't really any hard evidence that this fantastically complex sequence of events happened. Mass conspiracy is really, really difficult to hide.

And let's not forget that if it -was- voter fraud it was done just badly enough to work.

There is plenty of evidence but the trick is of course, those who now have the authority to investigate it have a vested interest in it not being revealed. You can't tell me I haven't seen skip loads of blank voting forms at a paper shredding facility or that Republican invigilators weren't blocked from doing their job of monitoring the count. There are (or were) plenty of idiots boasting about how many ballot forms they could collect, those machines were never investigated, the media ignores everything and big tech censor everything else...

anyway, what's done is done. As I said at the time the truth will emerge but it will of course be too late to affect the result.

My post was a tongue in cheek example for how merely having the title of President means those with shady and nefarious personal interests can easily make a fortune. It should be obvious to anyone by now that JB isn't in full command of his faculties and that he is clearly a puppet being managed by corporate interests while pandering to extreme left wing activists.

[Screwdriver]

Exhibit #1 - How to avoid justifying a totally schizophrenic position. Dismiss the argument as 'nit-picking' and 'vacuous' without giving any reason other than you're tired of it.

It is nit picking and vacuous for the reasons I detail in the very part you quote.

How is that "not giving any reason" when you actually quote those reasons you moron.

Exhibit #2 - Take the argument back to your happy place by constructing an entirely fictional narrative that has no basis in anything other than the fruitcake delusions of your own mind.

I tried to write an amusing analogy by taking it down to a childish level even an idiot could understand.

I would have thought that should be perfect for someone like you.

[DefTrap]

There is plenty of evidence but the trick is of course, those who now have the authority to investigate it have a vested interest in it not being revealed. You can't tell me I haven't seen skip loads of blank voting forms at a paper shredding facility or that Republican invigilators weren't blocked from doing their job of monitoring the count. There are (or were) plenty of idiots boasting about how many ballot forms they could collect, those machines were never investigated, the media ignores everything and big tech censor everything else...

anyway, what's done is done. As I said at the time the truth will emerge but it will of course be too late to affect the result.

Well, no, you can't just brush it aside and quote smoke and mirrors at us. Like I say, mass conspiracy is very difficult to (a) organise and (b) keep secret. You can't censor all the people, all the time.

My post was a tongue in cheek example for how merely having the title of President means those with shady and nefarious personal interests can easily make a fortune. It should be obvious to anyone by now that JB isn't in full command of his faculties and that he is clearly a puppet being managed by corporate interests while pandering to extreme left wing activists.

And yet you really weren't bothered when Trump was accused of very similar. Funny that.