I wouldn't call 10-20% a small percentage, but you originally suggested they would have a lot of influence in Ukraine, my point being that 90-180 ultra-nationalists in a population of 44 million is irrelevant. They (along with other regiments) were formed and funded by Jewish billionaire Igor Kolomoisky (I doubt he had the time to check their political views or ask if they had any tattoos, with Russian troops on their doorstep). They were a bunch of right-wing, well armed thugs who carried out some pretty dispicable horrors (as did their Russian counterparts). No govt wants half a dozen or so private armies carrying out atrocities in their name, particularly a govt who want to join the EU and NATO, and following and a report from Amnesty International report that these militias 'act with virtually no oversight or control' they were incorporated into the National Guard (not the Ukraine army) to give the govt oversight of their actions and to make them accountable (or at least the perception of). The following month, the commander and many other volunteers left to form a polictical party, and since then many 'veterans' have done the same, but there is no denying the regiment's ultra-national roots or that some are still of that persuasion and have links to the political party.Potter wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:06 amIt's not quite mainstream news in western media, although it is there if you look, I know about it from browsing independent news and talking to the Ukrainians at work - yet when I posted about it I had (for example) Irie in disbelief and demanding I prove it, DT saying he'd seen nothing about it and Hoonercat saying it's only a small percentage of them, then a few others chipping in to gaslight me claiming I'm a paranoid weirdo.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:08 pm I agree...but FWIW this whole right wing thing has hardly been brushed under the carpet AFAICT. There have been front page articles about it on the mainstream news sites in the last few weeks for example.
The "nutter" tag for me comes in when people are a)claiming that its a secret that is hidden away and b)Zelensky - a Jew who won a huge chunk of the popular vote - owes his success to their support.
As for Iranian oil and the like. Personally I'd rather pay a higher gas bill, but I know most wouldn't and many can't.
There is no virtue signalling, I called out a far-right army in place, well provisioned and fully supported by the west.
I took some shit, but now you accept it. I'm not frothing about it or burning bridges, but if any of you are then that's left with you.
As for their politics, they are completely out of step with the rest of Ukraine. They are anti EU, anti NATO, want an autocratic state with a president who has direct control over the military, but instead got a pro EU, pro NATO Jewish president. Ironically, if it wasn't for their ultra national views, they'd make perfect bed fellows for Putin and would probably be fighting alongside Russian forces.
BTW, the Donbas batallion, also originally funded by Igor Kolomoisky, were accused of similar war crimes before they were incoporated into the National Guard, but you won't hear Putin mention that because the batallion was made up entirely of ethnic-Russian volunteers opposed to Russian rule, which doesn't fit with his 'genocide' agenda'.